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Subject: Re: XASTIR - Mac OSX - Serial Ports ?????
From: Jason Winningham <jdw@eng.uah.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:04:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 151

On Jun 10, 2004, at 8:54 PM, Brian Riley (maillist) wrote:

>I have xastir 1.3.1 up and running but when I tell it to open a TNC on one
>of the Keyspan USBSerialPorts, it locks up. If I tell it to go after a
>nonexistent port it behaves fine and tells me I am nuts. I give it the right
>port  xastir goes south! locks up, has to be force-quit!

I think I used 1.3.1, have used a few older versions in the past year 
or so, and I'm currently running a CVS source that's pretty much 1.3.2. 
  It works fine for me.  Powerbook G4, desktop G4, Desktop G5, Keyspan 2 
port model (can't read the model number, it's under some labels) and a 
D7A.

One problem I had was for a balloon chase one weekend everything worked 
fine.  The next weekend it wouldn't work - couldn't see the TNC (D7).  
Did the "short pins 2 & 3" together thing for loopback, USB/serial 
thing seems OK.  Turned out to be the USB/serial thing would work for 
my little loopback test but failed when talking to the TNC.  Replaced 
the USB/serial adapter and everything is fine.

>17" Mac Powerbook running APRS Point under WinXP/VirtualPC

I'll bet that'll kill a laptop battery faster than anything except a 
dead short. (:

-Jason
kg4wsv

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Subject: Traffic and Weather Together on the Eights
From: isobar@bcpl.net
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:04:02 -0400
X-Message-Number: 152

At 05:50 PM 6/10/04 -0400, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>[...]
>I would!  I like seeing Weather on my D700 display.  I look
>at it frequently during poor weather while driving to chose
>my route...

Bob... APositionRS is great at  tracking but poor at routine traffic &
weather.

Your best source of  hazardous weather information (and traffic) while
driving is your car's AM radio. It's much more up to date, complete, and 
accurate than anything you could get on aprs.  I always beat on the fact 
that incomplete or misleading weather information is worse than none at 
all.  Does the fact that there's no thunderstorm showing up on your D700 
mean that there's not one there, or that no one posted it today? Is my wind 
speed right, or do I need to clean the bearings (yes)?   Did that ham who 
posted a weather object accidentally transpose the longitude? Besides, it's 
hard to adjust your route home when the synoptic scale of the weather is a 
couple of hundred km.

Posting the weather station data from home is fun and interesting to 
compare with others. But warnings and wx objects don't belong on an amateur 
network.

And WTOP's traffic is better than WB4APR's   :=)

Bob
N3OZB

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Subject: Re: Opentrack or whatever
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:03:20 -0400
X-Message-Number: 153

I'm sorry you are so offended by the process of Open Forum, James.

Pretty sure Forum means "A public meeting place for open discussion.".

If it's all the same to you, I'll use my ability to interject here and 
there, just so I don't lose the ability in the future by letting people 
just throw random things into the SPEC because they have it handy along 
with a marker.  I don't have issue with the additions that Bob has 
proposed, but I'd like the ability to express such if I have opinions.

Feel free to add a mail filter to block all mail from me.  I don't mean to 
be blunt about it, but I took offense when you told me what I should and 
shouldn't do in open forum.  That's like me telling you how to use your 
radio.  That's not my place.  Didn't realize this was some sort of 
Fraternity or whatnot.

This is why I had digest up to this point, is because of the sheer volume 
of messages.

--Droo, K1XVM

At 10:35 PM 6/10/2004, James Smith wrote:
>now the person who developed opentrack should be communicating with Bob 
>and NOT needing other people jumping IN and adding their two cents to it 
>please keep your two cents to yourself... You will make allot of people 
>and inboxes happier. I stand behind Bob, all the other authors in their 
>opinions and I know I'm not alone in that feeling.... Change is good, but 
>not when your beating someone to death on 100's of e-mails a day.

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Subject: Re: Opentrack or whatever
From:     Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:05:24 -0400
X-Message-Number: 154

James, I agree 100% with you and wish more would adopt your laize faire 
attitude. If it causes a real documented problem, lock it out, it is your 
equipment to do what you want with. Otherwise, this is whole thread is a big 
bunch of chicken littles claiming the end of the world.

Thanks!

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:35:39 -0500, James Smith wrote:
>To whom it may concern,
>
>You can use your opentrack all day long and I can careless if you
>get out or not. If your opentrack device interferes with the
>existing protocol of APRS, or my digi's I will either lock you out
>or turn them off. 

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Subject: RE: Opentrack or whatever
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:25:31 -0700
X-Message-Number: 155

>You can use your opentrack all day long and I can careless if you get
>out or not. If your opentrack device interferes with the existing
>protocol of APRS, or my digi's I will either lock you out or turn them

Fine by me.  If it's your equipment, you can do what you want with it.  But
just like in the case of RF interference, most people would appreciate a
friendly contact and an opportunity to resolve the interference.  I'm sure
anyone experimenting with OpenTRAC will be happy to help correct
misconfigured TNCs identified by their operation.  That's just how ham radio
works...

>rest of us,  now the person who developed opentrack should be
>communicating with Bob and NOT needing other people jumping IN and
>adding their two cents to it please keep your two cents to yourself...

I do communicate with Bob, when he'll listen.  Obviously we don't see eye to
eye on everything.

>feeling.... Change is good, but not when your beating someone to death
>on 100's of e-mails a day.

I'm tired of it too.  Most of the emails for the last two days have gone
straight into the trash bin.

>launches are great, just need to do some path management........

I agree.

Scott
N1VG

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Subject: Re: Compressed Positions
From: Bill Herrmann <bherrman@spro.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:18:42 -0600
X-Message-Number: 156

At 12:16 PM 6/10/2004 -0700, Curt, WE7U wrote:
>Bob> 3)  Having precision to 1 foot without Datum is pointless
>
>True.  So what.  It's not a problem with Base-91 Compressed posits
>per se, just that the additional datum info must be added if it is
>needed in a particular situation.  I proposed adding datum info to
>the packet years ago, and it is only recently being championed by
>you.  If we had done it years ago it'd probably be implemented in
>more clients by now and it wouldn't be a problem currently.

I almost hate to point this out, but my understanding is that this is one 
of the proposed benefits of OpenTrac. It allows for adding information to 
the same packet without breaking all the existing implementations.

Bill 

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