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Subject: RE: Conversation with Kenwood at Dayton
From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:26:04 +1000
X-Message-Number: 19
Why not provide both ?
Andrew Rich (VK4TEC)
>From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
>Reply-To: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
>To: "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group" <aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
>Subject: [aprssig] RE: Conversation with Kenwood at Dayton
>Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 09:51:59 -0700
>
>>Yes, take every computer you can find to JUST USB!! It's great,
>>it's fast, it's simple, and even when converting to serial it STILL
>>allows every single port you hook up (if done properly) to work,
>>within reason, at the same time. But the benefit there is you can
>>STILL do serial!
>
>>You loose that if you start specifying USB only devices.
>
>Yes, I understand that, and I'm not specifying a USB-only device. However,
>it WILL have USB support, and there are other USB-only TNCs out there now.
>USB devices can support multiple configuration modes... why not allow for a
>plain COM port emulation and also provide a native TNC interface? At the
>very least you'd gain plug-and-play capability so you don't have to tell
>your host programs anything about the TNC.
>
>Scott
>N1VG
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Subject: RE: Conversation with Kenwood at Dayton
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:03:28 -0400
X-Message-Number: 20
>I don't weigh in much with this stuff, but with new computers coming out
>without USB ports, there's a few things we need to consider...
>
>The "Ham hackers" are going to find a way to make it work. Add a PCI card,
>add a PCMCIA card, whatever... USB cards aren't that expensive.
You CAN add USB to a PCI slot. And it's not that expensive. You CAN add
USB to a PC-CARD slot. It is NOT inexpensive. You CANNOT add USB to a
PCMCIA slot. Just not do-able. Well, it's do-able, if you yourself design
a PCMCIA card with a master USB controller in it, cause there certainly
aren't any on the market now. And I'd venture to say, never will be.
In case you haven't noticed, PCMCIA is NOT the same as PC-CARD. PCMCIA is
basically 'parallel mapped resources'. PC-CARD can work as a superset of
PCMCIA, but it is also essentially a swapable PCI card bus, with a
PCI-PCCARD bridge device. TOTALLY different animal.
>As time goes on, those laptops and computers with serial ports on them are
>going to break, and the ones ON the market will end up dying and/or gettign
>bought... It took me a while to find a laptop with a true serial port on
>it, and, chances are, if I ever upgrade, the next one won't have that....
>Thus requiring a USB to serial adaptor.
As I've said, USB to serial is really the way to go, at the PC end.
>The newer people getting into the hobby generally AREN'T the hacker group.
>I'm just looking at the collegiate crowd here in Rolla (look at the local
>group... There's about half a dozen or so who will build their own stuff,
>but the rest are appliance operators). Yes, there ARE some who want to
>build their own, but there's a LOT of people here who either don't WANT to
>roll their own, or just don't know HOW.
Yep, most want someone else to roll it for them. And it's getting to the
point where the rollers are few and far between. And rollers of this
stuff you don't find in HAM circles as much as you find them in the
2600 groups, or associated with Circuit Cellar Ink.
>Yes, hams like cheap stuff....just put a "free" sign out at a hamfest, and
>see what shows up. But they like new stuff, too... Look at the crowd that
>new icom monster attracted last year with it's USB, ethernet, keyboard
>ports... And all the pretty knobs and flashy lights.
Again, yep. But I still say show me more than a few HAMs who will
dedicate a laptop with USB to a tracker in their car...
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Subject: RE: Conversation with Kenwood at Dayton
From: "Ken Cechura" <kcechura@umr.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:52:03 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21
>>You CAN add USB to a PCI slot. And it's not that expensive. You CAN add
USB to a PC-CARD slot. It is NOT inexpensive. You CANNOT add USB to a
PCMCIA slot.
>>In case you haven't noticed, PCMCIA is NOT the same as PC-CARD.
>>PCMCIA is basically 'parallel mapped resources'. PC-CARD can work as a
superset of
>>PCMCIA, but it is also essentially a swapable PCI card bus, with a
PCI-PCCARD bridge
>>device. TOTALLY different animal.
I stand corrected... Was thinking PC Card, said PCMCIA... However, for
$11, one can add a USB 2.0 PC CARD to their laptop (www.pricewatch.com ->
Notebook accessories -> USB2.0 -> partway down the page, BUSLink)... That's
cheaper than, or about the same price as, a USB to serial adaptor, granted,
USB cables are more expensive, since it's difficult to find the .99 USB 1.0
cables in stores now, since everyone's selling the USB 2.0 cables... And
it's not as easy to build your own USB cables...
I guess in my diluted ramblings, I was just trying to say that (while I'm
not the person to do it YET, as I still have MUCH to learn, and even with
that, I may never be.... which I openly admit... How much is a subscription
to circuit cellar? Is Nuts & Volts any good? :) Hell, I'm trying to find
an entry level EE job) Ham radio needs to look at the trends in
technology...
PERSONALLY (and I can't speak for a majority of the market, since I'm still
(after 3 years) mostly a newbie to APRS (college tends to get in the way,
what with classes, and homework and all that cr*p) I would like to see
something like the TH-D7 to have a little port like my digital camera has
for a USB cable to upload and downlaod data and such... Then again, it
would be nice to see scanners (a la uniden) have SD or smartmedia card slots
to just change the way it works.... And I KNOW someone said an HF rig with
this capability to completely change the way it reacts (basically a card
with memories, operator preferences, etc.) would be NICE, but let's face it,
that's a LONG way in the future (well, maybe not so far, given that new icom
beast, but let's look for it in a more attracitvely-priced package :), and
I'm getting WAY off topic.
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Subject: Re: Conversation with Kenwood at Dayton
From: "Larry" <zcopters@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:24:10
X-Message-Number: 22
If Kenwood has no plans to introduce any significantly new ham radios in
the next two years, they must not be paying attention at what their biggest
competitor is doing. ICOM plans new D-STAR radios across the VHF/UHF
spectrum in the next short while. Kenwood will be left in the analog dust
if they don't respond. Even then, they'll be playing catch-up to ICOM's new
robust digital line.
Larry
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