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Subject: RE: IGate/Server SysOps: Check your Configs
From: "Phil Pacier, AD6NH" <ad6nh@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:14:35
X-Message-Number: 15
On 04/13/04, "Greg Noneman <greg@clubnet.net>" wrote:
>Phil,
>
>Please go back and re-read my message that you quoted. You have
>misread my message and are basing your argument on this
>misinterpretation. As I originally stated, I fully agree that many
>stations do not need full-feed connections and that everyone would
>benefit from their use of message-only (1314) and filtered (14580)
>ports. However, there are stations that are interested in , and
>capable of, receiving the full bandwidth feed. For these users, the
>full-feed ports will always be available.
I have re-read your message, and I don't understand what you are asking me
to do here? I never said "ALL" users should stop using the core or "ALL"
users do not need full feeds. I said likely "most if not many" users do
not need them. Those who do should continue to connect to the core and
enjoy their full feed streams. No problem, no core bashing, no core
killing going on here. Just an attempt to clean it all up for our
end-users.
>Again, the particular port to which a user connects is not the subject
>of my post . If a user makes more than one outbound connection (either
>full or filtered) duplicate data will appear at the core. This is what
>Iam trying to address.
This I have never disputed. I wont repeat it again. The only thing I will
say is, this is not the only source of duplicate packets on the core
network.
73
Phil - AD6NH
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Subject: RE: IGate/Server SysOps: Check your Configs
From: "Phil Pacier, AD6NH" <ad6nh@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:26:42
X-Message-Number: 16
On 04/13/04, ""Phil Pacier, AD6NH" <ad6nh@arrl.net>" wrote:
>On 04/12/04, "Greg Noneman <greg@clubnet.net>" wrote:
>Connecting to message only or filtered ports of either core or tier 2
>servers does make sense for many, if not most, IGates.
>Absolutely incorrect.
My mistake - I need glasses. Sorry, Greg, I owe you an apology. I read
this as "does not make sense". I'm glad you agree!
73
Phil - AD6NH
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Subject: Re:Mobile APRS messaging
From: "Bill Vodall WA7NWP" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:45:11 -0700
X-Message-Number: 17
Bob's APRSTK version of APRSDOS provides complete control of the D7 or D700
via the serial port. This allows the computer to QSY the radio as
satellites come and go. Apparently it sends control information along with
the data packets. If Kenwood hadn't cut corners and provided a crippled
TNC; a D7 or headless D700 would have been the silver bullet for packet
radio.
73,
Bill - WA7NWP
----- Original Message -----
>I'm the guy that created the D700 interface for a PC keyboard. I don't own
>a D7, but as far as I know, there is no way to get data into it. The
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Subject: RE: IGate/Server SysOps: Check your Configs
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:48:43 -0400
X-Message-Number: 18
>We tried to discuss these 'lack of
>leadership' issues off list and here we are again.
Maybe they are connected?
>I have a little
>more faith in our audience and our problems shouldn't deliver the
>message of doom. The APRS-IS is 'unmanaged' and that's not the fault
>of our audience. Management issues need to be resolved... Right or
>wrong we need one voice and abide by it.
Easy enough, you fire the existing bunch and start over. But the hardest
thing is staying the course because the EGO benefit of end users worshiping
you will immediately disappear. If you have a good idea, have the staying
power, can implement it and can properly market the idea, you should be
successful. But it won't happen overnight.
Herding cats, which is really what this subthread is about, is futile. Once
you understand that, your halfway there.
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Subject: CAP and APRS
From: wes@johnston.net
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 19
This is my first post to the APRS sig in many months. I'd ducked out and
began working on other projects ( http://www.imscorporationl.com/bike ),
but now have a question for the group.
In a nutshell, I am looking at creating a little do-hickey to connect to a
Garmin RINO radio which will pull the waypoints out of the RINO on demand
and publish them to a TNC as objects (TNC in converse mode). The point of
this is so that SAR teams can all use RINO/FRS for voice comms and a plane
circling overhead with a RINO and a TNC can collect the positions from the
ground teams and deliver them to HQ many miles away.
This is not intended to be used on 144.39 due to traffic and collisions.
Since the packets are OBJECTS and not originating from the FRS users, I
think it _could_ be used on amateur freq's. Only a licensed amatuer
operator in the plane would push the button which started the
polling/publishing proces. This is really no different than publishing
data collected by my WX station. ;)
Another possibility is to relay the objects via MURS using no digipeater
hops (store and forward... ie digipeating... is not permitted there).
Direct packet from 10,000 feet in a plane goes a long, long way.
Can anyone tell me if CAP has a digipeater infrastructure like MARS has/had
a PBBS infrastructure? Is CAP packet friendly? Anyone done this? Am I
barking up the wrong tree? Comments?
Wes
kd4rdb
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Subject: Re: CAP and APRS
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:12:47 -0700
X-Message-Number: 20
Is there enough interest to make it worth starting an APRS SAR mailing
list? I know there are a number of us here actively involved in SAR in one
way or another.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: CAP and APRS
From: "Doug Phillips" <doug@dphillips.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:22:53 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21
I'd be interested
Doug Phillips, Maj, Civil Air Patrol
Vice Commander
Group 4, Texas Wing
KD5ZLP
-----Original Message-----
Is there enough interest to make it worth starting an APRS SAR mailing list?
I know there are a number of us here actively involved in SAR in one way or
another.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re:Mobile APRS messaging
From: "Phil Pacier, AD6NH" <ad6nh@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:42:8
X-Message-Number: 22
On 04/13/04, ""Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>" wrote:
>I really haven't used APRS messaging, mostly because it seems so
>horrendously inefficient.
True enough, but I have had an acceptable amount of success in the last 4
years doing mobile messaging with my D7. It is mounted in such a way that
I can reach it with my fingers while my right arm is resting on the center
console. I have memorized the tones, and rarely have to look at what I'm
typing. Mistakes are made, but my messages are always understood <g>. The
pain is reading the messages as they come in. Sometimes I have to wait
until stopped. The only reason I wish I had a D700 instead of a D7 is
power output.
73
Phil - AD6NH
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Subject: Re: CAP and APRS
From: "Jonathan Reid" <jonathan@jer.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:36:52 -0400
X-Message-Number: 23
I'd be interested.
Jonathan Reid, Capt, CAP
Deputy Director Operations
South Carolina Wing
KG4UAM
>>Is there enough interest to make it worth starting an APRS SAR mailing
>>list?
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Subject: Re: CAP and APRS
From: "Curt, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 24
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Scott Miller wrote:
>Is there enough interest to make it worth starting an APRS SAR mailing list?
>Iknow there are a number of us here actively involved in SAR in one way or
>another.
There are some already:
1) Turnkey_APRS list off wetnet.net
2) A list which the guy who wrote the SAR-APRS QST articles started
3) The SARCOMM list. Not much APRS-related stuff on there, but I
suppose there could be.
4) I think there's at least one other list that I've joined lately,
but darned if I can remember it right now. Jim?
--
Curt, WE7U archer at eskimo dot com
Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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Subject: RE: IGate/Server SysOps: Check your Configs
From: "Dave Anderson" <dandersn@citicom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:07:10 -0400
X-Message-Number: 25
>I don't know where you got that, but it's just an untrue statement. A
Your -OWN- words, Phil.
> "There is little, if any reason for anyone to connect to a full feed port."
Then...
>it would be best for the core servers to not offer the filtered ports on
>their servers,
That certainly leaves minimum room for interpretation. I know the e-mails
i've gotten from others reading this shows i'm apparently not the only one
interpreting it that way.
Rarely do any of the core sysops even post anymore - and when we do, as in
the case of Greg's post, it had -nothing- to do with core or tier 2. IT has
to do with -ANYONE- connecting anywhere to the APRS-IS, yet you manage to
turn it into that debate -every time-.
At any rate, apparently, as usual, a technical issue that -needs- addressed
has been totally dwarfed by this debate.
I know i'm over it. Many who have contacted me privately are over it.
If you can't discuss the issue Greg brought up to clear up the duplicate
connect issues then please take your comments elsewhere.
Seeya,
Dave
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