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Subject: Findu & map feature request
From: "Matt Werner" <kb0kqa@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:58:27 -0600
X-Message-Number: 46
First off - my hats off to Steve, Jim, and whomever else has been involved in
getting the maps to work for the time being on findu. Outstanding work!
Jim -
Is it possible to add state boundaries to the overview maps (the third one
findu displays)?
Thanks!
73 - Matt
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Subject: Re: Has any one talked to Microsoft ?
From: n5oom@arrl.net
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:19:21 -0600
X-Message-Number: 47
Travis County (Austin) RACES did this with their ARCHES system. Paid
to put packet stations in area hospitals. Some of us here in Dallas
area are looking at 802.11x installations.
On 10 Feb 2004 at 17:00, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>You know... It hit me as I was driving down the road today. Amateur Radio
>has been praised by the Department of Homeland Security as being one of the
>front liners... Well, they have been giving States and Counties lots of
>monies to update their equipment to prepare for terrorism. Why can't we get
>some money to update our stuff? I'm not talking about a million dollars so
>every amateur involved in RACES (or ARES) can get a shiny new D700 and GPS
>to use on APRS but some of the centralized equipment (i.e. servers and
>software) might be able to get a helping hand. This might require a
>National organization of some sort being the receiving (or asking) entity
>but it would seem that with the monies being available to all these other
>organizations we might be able get a little.
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Subject: Re: Weather & OS Query.
From: "Mark A. Lewis" <mark@siliconjunkie.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:33:04 -0600
X-Message-Number: 48
xxxxxxxx> uptime
19:31 up 1248 days, 15:53, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
xxxxxxxx>
Nuff said. It's a production FTP server that got hammered 24x7x365 until
it was retired a month ago.
That's 3.5 years....
How long a box stays up depends a lot on what you are running on it. If
you run buggy software that doesn't release memory, segfaults and such
you will crash regardless of platform.
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Subject: Re: Has any one talked to Microsoft ?
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:42:15 -0500
X-Message-Number: 49
On 2/10/04 at 4:51 PM Scott Miller <scott@3xf.com> sent:
>Regardless of who's making the actual HTTP request, I think it could be
>argued that findU's mapping interface as a whole constitutes a 'derivative
>work.'
Anything can be argued, most things have been argued here at one time or
another!
I don't agree with that position, but there is really no point on arguing it
now, this is past history.
If you want something to argue, here's a current case:
http://www.canaprs.net/locate.php?stn=k4hg
The parser does not seem to work for me, but the point is the maps. Many
people have sent me this site as an example of where maps still work. It
turns out, if you look at the source of the web page, that these maps are
coming from a company called mytelus.
http://www.mytelus.com/maps/index.jsp
Now, on this web site, they have no terms of service that preculde
canaprs's use of mytelus. Yet the maps include a copyright notice from
MapQuest, and on mapquest.com there are very restrictive terms of service,
that clearly do prevent this use of their maps.
It would have taken me all of an hour to convert the entire findu.com site
to mytelus maps, but I chose not to, because I think that would very
clearly violate the intention of the copyright holder, and this is simply
an oversight by mytelus. It is certainly debatable though, the only way to
know for sure is to do it, get sued, and have a court settle the issue. No
Thanks!
>You specifically state on your front page that you're not releasing your
>source code because people have approached you about commercializing it. Do
>they understand that the map engine isn't yours? When I go to KFC's store
>locator and see a Mapquest branded map, I (rightfully) assume that it's
>because KFC has a legitimate business relationship with Mapquest.
On the other hand, findU's data is embedded within hundreds of other web
sites, and none has a business relationship with me. Many sites use a
method called cross-linking, where sites without any actual relationship,
exchange almost invisible links (usually single pixel images). This is done
in order to increase rankings within Google, though they have gotten
smarter about it, it is a continual war between the linkers and the
searchers. Many web sites embed data from other sites in their pages
without a business relationship, the courts have been split on the subject
of deep linking and framing, with some saying that a prohibition against it
in terms-of-service (and even after cease and desist notice) is not
enforcable. That is the reason companies with mapping sites are using
encrypted URLs for the maps. You can embed the map, but you have to take
their ads with it.
As to your specific question, I suspect they do know the engine isn't mine,
because I have gotten many requests over the years asking for the
documentation for the MapBlast links. (I told every one to figure it out
for themselves, it is pretty easy.)
>There's
>no way for the average user to tell where that map is coming from.
True, but for the average user, the whole internet is pure magic! If I get
another notice from someone saying my computer is infected by a Windows
virus because they got one with my return address on it, I'm going to
scream. Ignorance of the masses is not an argument I see as being
pertinent.
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Weather Station Question
From: kb2scs@optonline.net
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:13:56 -0500
X-Message-Number: 50
Hi All
Is there a way to send APRS Weather formated packets with out using a PC.
The reason I ask is I have a friend that wants to set up a solar powered
APRS weather station and does not want to use a PC if he does not have to.
Let us hope we never witness the "Silence Of The Hams"
73 DE John KB2SCS
E-Mail: kb2scs@arrl.net
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Subject: Re: APRS objects
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:22:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 51
>>>"Richard Amirault" <ramirault@erols.com> 2/10/04 7:35:51 PM >>>
Was that for a BNC or SMA connector??
For SMA. ANd it was too small. I think my next build will use the pin out
of a standard DB-25 and then FILE it down to fit the SMA. The important
thing is that I don't want to possible stretch my SMA at all. Today I
used that antenna standing on a street corner to make an autopatch when I
couldnt even bring up the repeater on the rubber duck.
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Subject: RE: Weather Station Question
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:17:10 -0500
X-Message-Number: 52
You can use the Ultimeter weather stations which you can go directly to a
KPC-3+ or similar TNC and it will work! KF4OTN-4/6 is setup this way... No
computer.
73s,
Eric KF4OTN
ARRL Member
AMSAT Member: 35360
TAPR Member: 8869
Support your Hobby! Join a club.
All contact logs are uploaded to the ARRL LoTW and eQSL.
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Subject: Onstar in Chev 2500?
From: "Matt Werner" <kb0kqa@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:32:44 -0600
X-Message-Number: 53
Has anyone located the Onstar module in a Chevy 3/4 ton (or even a 1/2 ton)
4-door pickup with the current body style (the truck is around a 2001)?
Thanks and 73 - Matt
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Subject: RE: Weather Station Question
From: kb2scs@optonline.net
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:35:31 -0500
X-Message-Number: 54
Hi Eric
Thank you for your quick response.
But I should have mentioned is that the Weather station in question
is a davis. Yes he does have the data module.
Here is the original question again but with davis included.
Hi All
Is there a way to send APRS Weather formated packets with
out using a PC using a Davis Weather station with the data module.
The reason I ask is I have a friend that wants to set up a solar
powered APRS weather station and does not want to use a PC if he does
not
have to.
On 10 Feb 2004 at 21:17, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>You can use the Ultimeter weather stations which you can go directly to a
>KPC-3+ or similar TNC and it will work! KF4OTN-4/6 is setup this way... No
>computer.
Let us hope we never witness the "Silence Of The Hams"
73 DE John KB2SCS
E-Mail: kb2scs@arrl.net
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