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Subject: Re: Wi-Sys All-in-One APRS system (except radio)
From: Derek Koonce <redderek@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:28:08 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
X-Message-Number: 40
I agree that this is pricey. Add this up...
TinyTrak unit $30
Trimble receiver $50
Antenna $50
A complete APRS for less than 1/2 the price and much smaller!
Derek
KE6JTP
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Subject: Re: maps
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:36:07 -0500
X-Message-Number: 41
On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:28:21 -0600 (CST), Sean \\The RIMBoy\\ wrote:
>Distributed computing IMO implies using various resources to solve a
>problem. Your suggestion is not distributed computing, it's
>distributed serving, aka load balancing.
OK, if I tell you I used the wrong word, but you understand what I am
talking about, will that satisfy you? You seem to understand the concept,
so I don't know what all the rest of the chest beating is about.
>>I'm not interest in debating this.
>
>No, you just want to brow beat us with your opinion. You've stated
>your case. We've heard you. Please listen to us when we tell you
>why it's not feasible.
OK... tell me why it is not feasible. Who is this "us" anyways? I'm just
speaking for myself here, so if you could clarify what body you are speaking
for, that might be helpful.
Oh ya, what does "brow beating" mean? I've heard this slang before, I
assume it has something to do with a person trying to make their point and
the other person doesn't like the point and/or has heard it too much, but
did the root term "brow beating" really come from someone getting beat up
around the brow? I can picture the term "you sound like a broken record" as
maybe a analogy of what you are trying to say, but brow beating and your
term "us" makes a mental picture of lining up the entire SIG, taking a 2000
foot 2x4, and then me swinging it and hitting everyone square in the
brow....
Well, it made me laugh.... ;-)
>>>Distributed, but only across facilities that offer plenty of
>>>bandwidth. DSL is not the solution to this problem.
>>
>>Whatever, I'll take it any way I can. Distributed it is. We agree.
>
>To this I say, build it, make it happen. If you can demonstrate
>your stuff works, great. We'll sign on.
Sean, its not my "stuff". Distributed file systems, redundant files systems,
its all part of industry practice. At one time it was even being used on the
APRS-IS by rotating DNS/IP names users connected to. I'm just suggesting the
same for the map servers.
This is really tedious... one can't suggest one way to improve the system
without many getting all defensive. It must be like walking on eggshells to
your boss at work if he/she suggest a alternate way.
>Until then, don't tell us how to build the network.
I'm not telling "us" how to do anything. I wasn't even talking to you. Or is
"us" one of your other groups you represent?
>You've made your point. You can argue
>that 10% is better than none, but I'd rather live without than limp
>along with something that's half-baked.
I wasn't talking about anything half-baked. I was suggesting that "free"
always comes at a cost, and better to design a system to lessen its impact.
One way to do this is distributed load sharing, be it files or whatnot.
Sean, you, we, us or them are free to do whatever you/us/them/we want. As you
said, I made my point. It is possible to disagree about something, although
for the life of me, I don't know what it is.
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Subject: Re: Wi-Sys All-in-One APRS system (except radio)
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:08:19 -0800
X-Message-Number: 42
Speaking of fancy cases, has anyone here use
http://www.frontpanelexpress.com? Their CAD program looks pretty easy. I
looked up the specs on a standard Hammond extruded aluminum case and used
that as a template to build a quick mock-up of a front panel for a tracker,
with appropriate holes and lettering and such. The build-in price
calculator put it at about $18. Seems fairly reasonable for a one-off
thing, but I don't think I'd want to do that for any large production
quantity!
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: Wi-Sys All-in-One APRS system (except radio)
From: James Jefferson <jj@aprsworld.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:18:50 -0600
X-Message-Number: 43
Scott,
I used front panel express last winter for a couple of prototypes. Very nice
look and I recieved the parts two days later. Cad software was very easy to
use, despite it not being entirely translated from German yet.
Now I have my own vertical milling machine, so I do most stuff myself. :-)
Another excellent service is Filener Laser, http://www.filener.com/. Just send
Bruce your autocad drawing and a couple days later you get a plastic piece
back for a few bucks. He's even willing to accept hand drawings or
descriptions for simple parts. Bruce produces the front panels for my wind
speed dataloggers and he does an excellent job. (tell him I sent you).
-Jim
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Subject: Re: FindU maps
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 05 Feb 2004 19:51:46 -0500
X-Message-Number: 44
PLEASE no one do that. I am sure by now they know that we are using it
but just in case it is best to keep low key. If there is any possibility
that they are just down for repairs or upgrades and we throw a flag up
it may cause other problems.
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 13:13, Gonzales Andy wrote:
>Has anyone tried asking MapBlast whats up ?
--
Rich Garcia K4GPS Ex: KA2FXA and N2CZF
Echolink Node 12637 K4GPS-R 444.400 PL 110.9 Jupiter FL.
http://www.richgarcia.net
http://www.k4gps.net
http://www.qsl.net/k4gps/
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Subject: Re: IGate WEB page.
From: "Dick Stanich" <dick@kb7zva.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:28:57
X-Message-Number: 45
>>For purposes of messaging... if you don't have a position, you don't exist
>>on APRS... An Igate has to learn its local stations, only then can it
>>effectively handle message traffic to locals.
>
>Cleaning out old mail. Id like clarificaiton of the above.
Old mail indeed <g>. I think Pete covered this very well. I didn't want to
write a book on how it was necessary for an APRS station to send position
reports.
What's interesting is... if you never send a position report we can't
invent one... can we? I think what was going on 'back then' was a station
that was attempting to send messages and never got ack's. He forgot to
enter a position in his software, and his zero position or lack of one, put
him southeast of SEKONDI-TAKORADI, GHANA. At least, that's where findU
found him.
xxxxx-5>APD213,xxxxxx,xxxxxx,xxxxxx,xxxxxx-2*,TRACE5-4,qAS,xxxxxx-15:@271305z00.
0000N/00000.00E>004/000/E>dsy/M1/Enroute...
>Wim
Anyway, he fixed it and all went well for him. APRS works so much better if
you send a valid position, sometimes.
Next. There's a lot of software out there that that look at 'local'
differently. I think it's safe to say that if an Igate hears a station
direct, it is local. However, change that to several hops by telling your
software that stations heard over 5 hops are local, creates a different
situation. Especially, if an IGates' unproto path can't reach them. You'll
attempt to RF them and it won't ever work, unless the Igates' path is
capable of reaching out 5 hops on RF. Sorry if I opened a can of worms...
but, there are many mis-configured Igates sending needless traffic to RF
trying to reach stations beyond their local Igate coverage areas.
Tell us Bob/Steve, what should be considered local for an Igate?
Dick
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Subject: WinAPRS Object Saving Help
From: "Bill Carreira" <w1kfr@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:08:27 -0500
X-Message-Number: 46
Hello to the group. I have a simple question that I hope can be resolved
here. If I have a group of objects that I have generated; how can I save
them so if I shut down and restart I don't lose them and have to regenerate
them?
Thanks
W1KFR
Bill Carreira
Kingsland, GA
Email: w1kfr@hotmail.com
AIM W1KFR
ICQ 944831
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Subject: Re: maps
From: Vince <heffer@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:13:50 -0500
X-Message-Number: 47
Yeah, that's the way. Skulk around like a thief in the night.
What would it hurt to ask mapblast what happened, or ask them for privs to
use their maps. Especially since amateur radio here in the states seems to
be part of the latest "home security" contingent.
The author of Radio Mobile, VE2DBE, didn't take any time to produce a new
version that points to mappoint. Understand I am not saying findu
author(s) are at fault; it just amazes me someone would suggest a covert
action. Nor am I saying mappoint maps are good; it is the suggestion of
denial that gets me.
Seems to me that if you want to keep the frequencies and make a better
presence you'd stick your head up once in a while.
That's just my 0.02 for the day. Means as much as trying to convince
someone that new APRS users need training on paths.
Vince
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