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Subject: Re: APRS Symbols update
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:47:39 -0700
X-Message-Number: 15
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
>Exactly what I'd like to see in APRS. And that does NOT mean
>double-clicking on an icon or right-clicking and using a context menu.
>Xastir's detail screen really needs some help - it's hard to read (compared
>to UI-View at least) and never sizes itself properly for me. You should be
>able to mouse over an object and either have it expand out to a full-size
>symbol with all of the modifiers and text around it, or at least have it
>show up in a status panel.
Hey Scott! Do you have the latest UI-View32? It now has a mouse-over
pop-up (I guess that's what you call it) in that you move your mouse over
an object and it pops up some detail. I see no reason why you'd need to
expand the symbol, however. Why would you need to see it twice and once at
an expanded size?
>Using an exploding symbol would also make it easier to deal with symbols
>piled on top of each other. Rather than just get a picklist, the full
>symbols for each would expand out and arrange themselves around the pointer,
>with lines indicating their actual locations.
That's an interesting idea, but really necessary? I do not think so....as
the list is a very organized approach to a dog pile! Click on the pile and
the list appears, then pick and choose what you want. I may have no
interest in them all, only one.
I do admit that I do this often for several dog piles and then move the data
manually to various corners of the screen. Hmmmm maybe it is a good idea!
Optional, of course!
Jim
WA6OFT
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Subject: Re: APRS Symbols update
From: "Sadowski, Allan" <allan.sadowski@ncshp.org>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:01:15 -0500
X-Message-Number: 16
Good Points made in many of the recent postings...
I certainly do NOT advocate trying to get all this into one packet -
RATHER - that the client map display software needs to have this
information readily available in the view.
I like the way UIVIEW was described in Daron's posting... and I hope the
XASTIR folks can do the same in time (rah rah open source)... Bobs
earlier comment about people coming to the client display to get
situation awareness (the MC Marathon) is not to be taken lightly. And
if the client makes available more information about the
status/logistics of the stations on the map - more people will use the
client to get their information.
What does that all mean? Maybe it's as simple as linkage from the
symbol/icon on the screen - to a simple flat file database or even
spreadsheet... heck... even a simple flat text file. Packets that are
logistics only... (or other information feeds)... then update the
database/spreadsheet/flat file - automagically is better... but retyped
in is ok too... with date/time stamping of course !!! OTHER display
stations could feed data into the relevent database/spreadsheet/text
file... but at the map display - THE SINGLE COMMON PICTURE... moving the
mouse over the station... then the symbol/icon "explodes" to show
relevent data associated with the icon. Now that would be some good
stuff....
Looks like some good interaction on the topic !
ALOHA
AH6LS
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Subject: Re: APRS Symbols update
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:12:04 -0800
X-Message-Number: 17
>Hey Scott! Do you have the latest UI-View32? It now has a mouse-over
>pop-up (I guess that's what you call it)
>in that you move your mouse over an object and it pops up some detail. I
>see no reason why you'd need to expand the symbol, however. Why would you
>need to see it twice and once at an expanded size?
I'm runing UI-View32 1.97 and I don't get anything when I mouse over a
station. Do I have to do something to enable that?
As for expanding the symbol, I agree it doesn't make sense with the
bitmapped icons. I'm talking about the tactical symbols like the UN ones
just mentioned or MIL-STD-2525B. You've got a symbol with modifiers that
tells you basic attributes of the object, plus text for things like
callsign, status, and so on positioned around it. As I picture it, mousing
over a dogpile would make the small icons explode out to the full symbols,
spacing themselves out as necessary, and indicating their real positions
with a line.
>I do admit that I do this often for several dog piles and then move the data
>manually to various corners of the screen. Hmmmm maybe it is a good idea!
>Optional, of course!
Yeah, even just having the detail windows pop up and auto-arrange around the
screen would be a plus.
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: APRS Symbols update
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:38:56 -0700
X-Message-Number: 18
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From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
>I'm runing UI-View32 1.97 and I don't get anything when I mouse over a
>station. Do I have to do something to enable that?
Well, Yeah! Update to V1.99! That would be a good start!
http://www.ui-view.com
(ducking!!!)
Jim
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Subject: WIDEn-N in the D700.
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:16:17 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 19
If you plan on using a D700 as a stand alone DIGI for an event and will
be using WIDEn-N paths, the way to work properly in an APRS network on
144.39 is to not enable the UIFLOOD parameter for WIDEn-N
NOID digipeating.
Use UITRACE WIDE instead. It gives you everything you want in a WIDEn-N
digi:
1) It decremnts the N
2) It adds its own call to show that it was the source of data
It works perfectly that way...
Again, do not use UIFLOOD WIDE,NOID.
de WB4APR, Bob
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Subject: Re: Balloon over WV heading East!
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:00:21 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 20
By the way, was this Balloon ever found over there in West VA?
Winter time is a lot easier to get through the woods. But maybe now the
snow is even worse...
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Douglas Quagliana wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:55:00 -0700 Scott Miller wrote:
>
>>Just for the heck of it I plotted the altitude and airspeed of the balloon
>>over the period of 06:30 through 19:46 at http://n1vg.net/profile.gif.
>
>Here's the weather overlay from Roanoke, VA (Blacksburg)
>
>http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/breadcrumb.cgi?call=kc8uch-11&geo=rad_fcx.geo
>
>Douglas D. Quagliana KA2UPW
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Subject: Re: APRS Symbols update
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <WA8LMF2@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:16:30 -0800
X-Message-Number: 21
Scott Miller wrote on 1/31/2004, 12:12 PM:
>I'm runing UI-View32 1.97 and I don't get anything when I mouse over a
>station. Do I have to do something to enable that?
YES! Upgrade to Ver 1.99 where that feature was introduced...
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.com
Ham Radio/Mobile SSTV page: http://members.aol.com/wa8lmf/ham
APRS Stuff
http://members.aol.com/wa8lmf/aprs
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Subject: Re: APRS Symbols update
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:05:13 -0800
X-Message-Number: 22
Ah. I saw the big heading for "V1.97 Downloads" and assumed that meant 1.97
was the latest version. I see the 1.99 update below that now. That ought
to be presented more clearly...
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: Balloon over WV heading East!
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:09:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 23
>By the way, was this Balloon ever found over there in West VA?
>Winter time is a lot easier to get through the woods. But
>maybe now the
>snow is even worse...
No, it has not yet been found... The steep slopes are the real problem (and
the winter only makes it worse).
73,
Robert
KC8UCH
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