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Subject: Re: Bit error rate- 50% - is it ok??
From: "Lab Services Group" <ls@rdcis.bih.nic.in>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:24:07 +0500
X-Message-Number: 9
sub: bit error rate -50%-is it OK.
Dear John,
Many thanks for your detailed mail. I appreciate your deep knowldege in
this field. I would do some modifications(play with baud rates
1200/2400/4800) and then revert back to you with my bit error rate results,
with your kind permission. I will like to implement the VHf based GPS\AVl
solution in Industrial steel plants and mines. Can you give name of some
professional sites, who have the hardware for the purpose. Software , we
will write on our own.
r k jha
India
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Subject: TNC's
From: Earl Needham <needhame1@yucca.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 07:55:40 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10
At 09:37 AM 11/1/2003 -0500, Shanon Lee Herron wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I sent the following email to Kantronics on the 28th, still no answer.
>Their support sucks, why do we keep buying them???
Because they made a product that was not a TNC-2 and we all got used to the
extra commands. Now, nobody else has all the extra commands and Kantronics
has a captive market, so to speak.
><snip>
>I even still have the first TAPR 1 TNC
>that I built way back when. Not to mention 2 Heathkit clones of the TNC1.
>Still has the best audio to be found....
These TNC's make excellent full-function digis, or whatever you'd like to
do with them. Just put a KISS-chip in and it'll do anything a TNC-2 will
do. I used this with an HD-4040 for YEARS, until something fried in the
Heathkit and it wasn't worth fixing any more.
7 3
Earl
Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1
-EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630>
SETI@Home: 11051WU/7.17yrs!
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Subject: Re: KPC3+
From: Wes Johnston <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:03:56 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11
I notice there is a RANGE command which does mX+b slop / offset for a/d
values.
John.... I told you to use UIDIGI RELAY, WIDE, SC earlier today.... it is
UIDIGI ON RELAY,WIDE,SC
Wes
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Subject: Re: SMART digi paths (rev 1)
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:32:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 12
Bob Bruninga wrote:
>NOAUTO - Smartdigi should do NOTHING to this path
Bob, this command is non-intuitive. Please consider LOCKED instead. It
means something to humans.
Ev, W2EV
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Subject: Re: aprssig digest: October 31, 2003
From: "K. Mark Caviezel" <kmcaviezel@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:58:06 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 13
>3. TinyTrak3 power consumption
Subject: TinyTrak3 power consumption
Scott:
darn it, but I can't find my actual measurment for the low power one that I
made for high altitude balloon flights, but I made it with 10k ohm
resistors so just a little power would go to the LEDS, I want to say it was
around 12mA draw, bottom line, it did work for a week of 24/7 operation on
one Lithium 9V battery.
- KMC kc0jhq
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Subject: RE: KPC3+
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:13:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 14
>I sent the following email to Kantronics on the 28th, still no answer.
>Their support sucks, why do we keep buying them??? When asked about an
>EPROM for an old TNC they just said "Buy a new TNC" Why should we buy a new
>dump truck if all we need is a new tire for the old wheelbarrow?
That's why I won't ever buy anything from them in the future. At least,
not without a LOT of investigation.
I picked up an old KPC-3 a while ago for $50 with OLD firmware.
At least at the time I could get a firmware upgrade. Know what it
cost? $50! Plus the shipping and handling! I could have picked up
an almost BRAND NEW but used KPC-3 for MUCH less!
What a mistake. I'll never consider Kantronics again for ANY of
my needs unless it's an only choice, and even then...
Shame is, it's a good quality unit.
But on a 'practical' side, now that the support is officially gone, you'll
probably see a lot of piracy and 'swapping' of the firmware going on, now
that no 'legitimate' upgrade path exist for the older units. I'm not
saying it's right, but it will be a fact of life.
Mike
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Subject: Re: KPC3+
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:33:13 -0700
X-Message-Number: 15
Their version page or any other page has not been updated to reflect a new
release! http://www.kantronics.com/ver_hist.htm
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: RE: KPC3+
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:47:35 -0700
X-Message-Number: 16
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
To: "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group" <aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: [aprssig] RE: KPC3+
>>I sent the following email to Kantronics on the 28th, still no answer.
>>Their support sucks, why do we keep buying them??? When asked about an
>>EPROM for an old TNC they just said "Buy a new TNC" Why should we buy a
>new
>>dump truck if all we need is a new tire for the old wheelbarrow?
>
>
>That's why I won't ever buy anything from them in the future. At least,
>not without a LOT of investigation.
>
>I picked up an old KPC-3 a while ago for $50 with OLD firmware.
>At least at the time I could get a firmware upgrade. Know what it
>cost? $50! Plus the shipping and handling! I could have picked up
>an almost BRAND NEW but used KPC-3 for MUCH less!
>
>What a mistake. I'll never consider Kantronics again for ANY of
>my needs unless it's an only choice, and even then...
Yeah, I wonder who's mistake it was! <g>
Welp, I suppose everyone should still be running AM with their old Gonset
Communicators.
I mean, why would you need to buy a new 2m radio if you can still get the
2E26 tubes!
I need to go oil my Model 15 teletype and tighten the bolts holding it all
to the floor....73.
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: Re: SMART digi paths (rev 1)
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:04:16 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 17
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Ev Tupis (W2EV) wrote:
>Bob Bruninga wrote:
>
>>NOAUTO - Smartdigi should do NOTHING to this path
>
>Bob, this command is non-intuitive. Please consider LOCKED instead.
>It means something to humans.
I dont know. LOCKED doesnt give me any clear meaning in this context.
Locked where? On VHF? On UHF? On APRS? It is totally ambiguous..
NOAUTO means NO AUTOMATIC routing. I can't imagine anything more
direct and descriptive..
bob
Bob
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Subject: Re: KPC3+
From: "David Thege" <dthege@conpoint.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:04:01 -0600
X-Message-Number: 18
I noticed Kenwood hasn't updated their site to show the new TM-271 2m rig
either. I compared the KPC3+8.3 commands to the version 9 command set. Lot
of new ones plus several updates to the older set. There is now a set of
commands to remote control a GPS.
Dave N0XBN
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Subject: RE: BalloonSat launch Saturday 01-NOV-03 Update
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:39:04 -0800
X-Message-Number: 19
Looks like someone's got PASSALL turned on...
2003-11-01 18:34:44 34.7328 -86.5195 16 149 43864
2003-11-01 18:34:44 34.7328 -80.5195 16 149 43864
2003-11-01 18:35:06 34.7315 -86.5187 23 151 44311
BTW, any particular reason for the flying house icon? =]
Scott
N1VG
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Subject: Re: SMART digi paths (rev 1)
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:40:45 -0500
X-Message-Number: 20
>>>NOAUTO - Smartdigi should do NOTHING to this path
>>
>>Bob, this command is non-intuitive. Please consider LOCKED instead.
>>It means something to humans.
>
>I dont know. LOCKED doesnt give me any clear meaning in this context.
>Locked where? On VHF? On UHF? On APRS? It is totally ambiguous..
>NOAUTO means NO AUTOMATIC routing. I can't imagine anything more
>direct and descriptive..
The same can be conjectured about NOAUTO. No auto what? No auto forward
to the APRS stream? No auto start GPS? No auto respond to queries? etc.
The fact that we're dealing with the UNPROTO path (and that LOCKED appears
in the UNPROTO area), LOCKED means that the UNPROTO should "stay locked"
just as the launching station launched it and not be changed by any
appliance in the network. In effect, the UNPROTO is LOCKED as launched.
eg - if the UNPROTO is LOCKED, then...
skip any UNPROTO modifying subroutines AND process the frame as RX'd
Ev, W2EV
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