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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Saturday, October 25, 2003.
1. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
2. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
3. Re: Solar Wx
4. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
5. Re: Solar Wx
6. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
7. RE: WinAPRS Problem
8. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
9. Using a BS2 to gerate packet tones ?
10. APRS2 Port 14580
11. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
12. AGM Sealed "non-spillable" Batteries
13. Re: [amsat-bb] Solar activity and AO-40 (fwd)
14. Re: APRS2 Port 14580
15. Re: ahubswe.net
16. Re: AGM Sealed "non-spillable" Batteries
17. RE: APRS2 Port 14580
18. TX Delay and Modern Transceivers
19. Coiled Coax Loss
20. Whoa, wait a minute [was: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal]
21. RE: Coiled Coax Loss
22. APRSteward and the Interstate Roadway System
23. Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
24. 1200 and 9600
25. Re: APRS2 Port 14580
26. RE: APRS2 Port 14580
27. RE: Using a BS2 to gerate packet tones ?
28. RE: Using a BS2 to gerate packet tones ?
29. Bill V's excellent nwprs_usage system
30. RE: APRS2 Port 14580
31. Igate
32. RE: Using a BS2 to gerate packet tones ?
33. FINDU question
34. RE: Using a BS2 to gerate packet tones ?
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Subject: Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
From: Vince <heffer@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:14:04 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1
On average I get about 150 SPAM e-mails a day. I've learned to quickly
scan and dump. I'm sure I miss an occasional valid one. E-mail is
impersonal and seen only by the receiver.
On the other hand, an APRS message may not be ignored so easily. If nothing
else, it will be seen by several in the receiving area; let's call it peer
pressure.
I guess an automated APRS message to someone with a 'silly' path will cause
some QRM, but what is it trying to quell? QRM. If it is effective then the
QRM will diminish as will the automated messages.
What is the point here? I think it is to reduce the number of people using
dumb/stupid/silly paths that affect others. How else are they going to
learn if it isn't through some means that puts them in the public eye?
(Some of these folks are downright rude.)
IMHO - The arguments for passive-aggressive actions are flawed and do not
address the problem. Creating localized paths and modifying DIGI code will
only have a short term effect; even though I think localizing paths is a
cool idea. Some folks do not know any better, others do not care. Ways
will be found around the 'barriers'. In APRS, peer pressure may go a long
way.
If an automated message to the Wide7-7 folks helps me use the digi during
the next event then I'm all for it. Obviously the 'word' has not been
spread enough during APRS lifetime.
If an automated message causes to much QRM, the it could be turned off. But
where is the problem? Address the problem.
Vince
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Subject: Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:48:25 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2
Bob Bruninga wrote:
>>There are many ways to spread the word. APRSteward is the least costly,
>>most repetative and easiest to implement. It may even whiten teeth and
>>freashen breath. :)
>
>And it creates the most unnecessary QRM on the already overloaded channel.
>
>I am Still opposed to it. I do support an automatic program that
>generates EMAIL to offenders, but not over the air.
Having a single well-placed station TX 3 BLN:-frames that tell people how
to setup their stations for maximum local channel efficiency and doing so
once every x-minutes (the actual TX-interval is driven by the LAN's need
for getting the information publicized) is hardly "unnecessary QRM".
It is a necessary, prudent and almost 'cost-free' use of APRS technology
and infrastructure that will result in better channel utilization and
significantly increased new-user satisfaction.
APRS without RF-based APRSteward's in each LAN is akin to the Interstate
highway system without traffic signs.
Ev, W2EV
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Subject: Re: Solar Wx
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 25 Oct 2003 10:59:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
I agree it is rarely done but I have heard of it done in the past for just
such cases like this. It was a long time ago I don't remember exactly when.
The way they made this storm sound like it was HUGE, I don't think the DOD
was going to stop at anything to protect themselves from having so many
birds go dead at one time. Sure it was a gamble if it WOULD happen or not
but think of the concenquences if it did!
Rich
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:09, Sadowski, Allan wrote:
>No way I know to do any sort of repo of these birds... they are going to
>have to deal with it just like almost every other satellite in existence...
>
>Gerry has forgottem more about these platforms than most of us will ever
>know...
>
>A significant reposition of any satellite is rarely done once it achieves
>it's operational orbit... station keeping on geosynchronous birds is a
>different matter... but this often relatively small changes - unless the
>bird is to replace a "dead" one... and those movements typically take many
>days...
>
>ALOHA
>AH6LS
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Richard Garcia [SMTP:k4gps@bellsouth.net]
>>
>>Idon't know if it was the flare but I am wondering if the DOD
>>re-positioned the birds to avoid any possible damage from the storm.
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Subject: Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
From: Neil Johnson <njohnsn@njohnsn.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:23:00 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
I bet most people use findu. How about when someone looks up a call sign on
findu and there is an issue with the path, display a comment like the
following on the page:
"NOTE: This call sign is using a path that may cause unneccessary
interference, disrupting the proper operation of APRS.
If this is your call sign please see (link to page on recommended paths) for
information on recommended path settings.
If you know the person who has this call sign, please pass this information
along.
Thanks for helping making the APRS experience better for us all."
Id' put it at the top, so it can't be missed.
Steve ?
--
Neil Johnson
http://www.njohnsn.com
PGP key available on request.
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Subject: Re: Solar Wx
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@3xf.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:24:44 -0700
X-Message-Number: 5
>No way I know to do any sort of repo of these birds...
That's a good thing, too. Imagine, missing a couple of payments, and some
guy shows up with a flatbed in the middle of the night and hauls your
satellite off to an impound orbit...
=]
Scott
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Subject: Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi paths]
From: <kf6qnc@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:49:58 -0700
X-Message-Number: 6
FWIW - I think this is a great idea - Your choice of words & the message
are thoughtful.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-aprssig-29849@lists.tapr.org
[mailto:bounce-aprssig-29849@lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Neil Johnson
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 08:23
Subject: [aprssig] Re: A Low-Tech APRSteward Proposal [was: SMART digi
paths]
I bet most people use findu. How about when someone looks up a call sign on
findu and there is an issue with the path, display a comment like the
following on the page:
"NOTE: This call sign is using a path that may cause unneccessary
interference, disrupting the proper operation of APRS.
If this is your call sign please see (link to page on recommended paths)
for information on recommended path settings.
If you know the person who has this call sign, please pass this information
along.
Thanks for helping making the APRS experience better for us all."
<rest clipped>
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Subject: RE: WinAPRS Problem
From: "Herb Gerhardt" <hgerhardt@charter.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:56:58 -0700
X-Message-Number: 7
I have seen this problem a number of times. In my case it has always turned
out to be that the radio volume control is set to minimum. When that
happens, the radio receives the data, the TNC also senses the data but the
computer does not hear the data.
Check your volume control and set it about mid point. If that is not it,
then check your cable between the TNC and Computer. It might be loose or
damaged.
Herb, KB7UVC
NW APRS Group, West Sound Coordinator
Our WEB Site: www.nwaprs.org
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-aprssig-29709@lists.tapr.org
>[mailto:bounce-aprssig-29709@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sloan
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:40 PM
>To: TAPR APRS Special Interest Group
>Cc: 'SCOAPRS'
>Subject: [aprssig] WINAPRS Problem
>
>My windows 98 system froze (I know what is new about that), and I had to
>reboot it today. Now I can see the radio is receiving incoming packets and
>the TNC shows that it is receiving them. But, they don't show up on my map
>nor display on the bottom window as having been received. I have
>re-initialized the TNC, rebooted the computer, and checked the settings in
>WinAprs. What am I overlooking? If I connect to the internet I
>get stations
>displayed on my map. Just do not display any station that the radio is
>receiving from RF. Any and all comments/ideas are welcome!
>
>Tnx & 73,
>Dave N0EOP
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