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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Sunday, October 19, 2003.
1. Ivan A. Getting - RIP
2. XASTIR show packet data screen
3. Re: Path Relay Wide2-2 for travel
4. Re: Anderson Power Poles
5. emergency
6. RE: APP Sources
7. RE: APP Sources
8. RE: APP Sources
9. javAPRS Problems?
10. RE: TH-D7 Question
11. APP Sources
12. APP thread
13. Smart DIgis and the new Paradigm
14. Re: APRS Linux digi, was: Re: DigiNed, was: Re: Take Control of your DIGI
part 4
15. Another Powerpole source: 5 colors, 15 to 180A
16. Grant Writer
17. Re: Grant Writer
18. Shutoff timer?
19. Re: Smart DIgis and the new Paradigm
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Subject: Ivan A. Getting - RIP
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:09:05 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47010-2003Oct18.html
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Subject: XASTIR show packet data screen
From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:15:11 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2
I seem to have a problem with my xastir show packet data screen
It is intermittent. Everything runs well, except the show packet data
screen.
If I select "tnc data only" i just get carriage returns, although sometimes
it works.
If i select net data only - just carriage returns as well.
I did not have this problem with the previous version of xastir
What is going on ? data is coming in but i just get carriage returns
v 1.2.1
Andrew vk4tec
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Subject: Re: Path Relay Wide2-2 for travel
From: "David Odom" <dodom@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:32:21 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
You can look at the IGATE coverage along I 10 from Pensacola FL to Ft
Stockton TX and then up US 285 to Santa Fe using the Path Relay, Wide2-2.
NM says they cover the state and it looks like they do. In the Next two
weeks I'll be traveling up I 25 and East on I 80 and down I 77 back to South
Carolina.
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/track.cgi?line=1&call=w4vor-9&geo=usa.geo&start
=2160&length=2160
Dave
W4VOR
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Subject: Re: Anderson Power Poles
From: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:07:43 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
I think I have thought about it Jim and here is what I come up with.
Hopefully any organization taking on the responsibility of providing
emergency communications has identified possible locations where they can
pre-installed power cabling and have done so. That combined with most
amateurs desire to have transportability between their own vehicles and
shacks calls for some sort of easily used connector, a "standard" connector
only makes sense. Yes; those who want to be prepared should have the skill
to be able to find a power source in a vehicle, make safe use of it and have
the neccessary tools, along with supplies in their go kit. I can't recall
anyone disputing that in the current discussion.--73
Doug, N0LKK
dougy@ruraltel.net
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Subject: emergency
From: "Joe Della Barba" <joe@dellabarba.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:23:37 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5
22058-5>EMERGENCY ** Mic-E Emergency Message
I:00000V,KN5YIC-3,SP0T7-7,D5QZD8,WKB5VE*,qAo,N1HQ 2003/10/19 04:33:53
Anyone esle see this?
73
Joe
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Subject: RE: APP Sources
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 19 Oct 2003 11:08:58 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6
I was just paging through a MFJ catalog that came in the mail last week
and it appears that they also now carry the power pole connectors and
also Outlet Strips.
I have not researched APP very much but may do that later in the year so
I am not sure how good the prices are. They are listing 6 pairs with 40A
contacts as $x.xx up to 100 pairs for $xx.xx. Seems to be a good price
and since they say Power Poles with 40A contacts I am assuming that is
the housing also.
Rich
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Subject: RE: APP Sources
From: "Dick C. Reichenbach" <dreichen@columbus.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:39:03 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
I also like this company because he also stocks the 15 amp APP's. They
fit into the same plastic body of the 30's but have a smaller crush area
and work better with the 22 guage wire that I use a lot of.
Also for the guy asking about panel mounts. Wes also stocks the "E"
shaped metal brackets that allow you to panelmount just a single APP
connector.
Dick Reichenbach - KC8OBZ
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Subject: RE: APP Sources
From: Dale Blanchard <wa7ixk@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:19:36 -0700
X-Message-Number: 8
Richard Garcia wrote:
>I was just paging through a MFJ catalog that came in the mail last week
>and it appears that they also now carry the power pole connectors and
>also Outlet Strips.
>
>I have not researched APP very much but may do that later in the year so
>I am not sure how good the prices are. They are listing 6 pairs with 40A
>contacts as $x.xx up to 100 pairs for $xx.xx. Seems to be a good price
>and since they say Power Poles with 40A contacts I am assuming that is
>the housing also.
>
>Rich
The 40 amp contacts are the same as the 30 amp. They are open so you can
stuff a larger wire in. They are also not as well made I am not sure
Anderson even makes the 40 amp pins as the quality is not up to there
standards. The 20 amp contacts are the same as the 30 amp except the
wire hole is smaller.
I have been recomending APP for 20 years. Glad they are finally being
discovered. The first thing I do when getting a new radio is cut of the
connector and intall a PP. I have never been able to get two radios with
the same connector even if the same brand.
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Subject: javAPRS Problems?
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists@ametx.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:51:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9
Is anyone having trouble with running javAPRS at www.jfindu.net ? If
so, what OS, browser, and Java are you running (please indicate version
for each) and what error message, if any, are you getting? Do you get
the same problem with any of the samples at www.aprs-is.net/javaprs
73,
Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete@ae5pl.net
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Subject: RE: TH-D7 Question
From: "Chris Rose" <kb8uih@arrl.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:11:51 -0400
X-Message-Number: 10
The D700 has the same problem. Listening to two VHF freqs at same time and
key up on one interferes with the other.
Chris
KB8UIH
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobDonnell@arkalmus.com>
To: "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group" <aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:08 PM
Subject: [aprssig] RE: TH-D7 Question
Yes, it can, though it'll interrupt reception on the other receiver if
the other receiver is set to the same band as the data transmissions.
With APRS transmissions (the only ones a D7 does well at) that's
500-1000 ms - as much as a couple of sylables.
73, Bob, KD7NM
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Subject: APP Sources
From: Glenn Wiebe <gswiebe@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:55:28 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11
Heaven forbid this thread should die anytime soon. :-)
Any know Canadian source?
Glenn...VE4GN
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Subject: APP thread
From: "Bob D." <n2iph@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:50:53 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12
" Not looking to start another Power Pole fiasco but... "
Well, you certainly did a good job for not trying :-)
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Subject: Smart DIgis and the new Paradigm
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:54:12 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 13
AUTOMATIC DIGIPEATER ROUTING under the new n-N paradigm WB4APR
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I have already shown how the new n-N paradigm can be easily and
transparenlty phased-in INSTANTLY in existing hardware anywhere that any
SYSOP's chose without impact to current users and practices. Here is
another great idea on how we can also phase in automatic IGate routing as
well!
It has long been suggested by several of you that the signle PATH of
"IGATE" should cause smart digipeaters to pre-emptively capture that
packet and to automatically change the path to whatever that digi knows is
the best path to the nearest Igate. The problem is, that until sufficient
numbers of smart digis exist, the use of "IGATE" in a path is just added
overhead and inneffective everywhere else.
Here is the new idea. If you have a SMART DIGI, then simply use the FIRST
HOP of "RELAY" as the flag for automatic IGate routing. If the digi sees
"RELAY,xxx,..." then the new APRS paradigm allows that path to be
pre-emptively replaced by ANY smart digi with the shortest path to the
nearest IGate.
This concept appears to violate one of my fundamental principles that user
paths MUST not be modified without the expressed INTENT of the sender.
But under close inspection, an initial use of the RELAY hop has always
tacitly meant "I want this packet to be picked-up by anything possible and
forwarded onward to the established APRS infrastructure. This can include
the APRS-IS!.
So, under the new APRS n-N paradigm, and in recogniton of the fact that we
do not want RELAY used where it is not needed or intended, we have already
included these RULES for the use of RELAY:
1) Only used by users as the first hop
2) Digipeated with callsign subsititution by local RELAY digis
3) Digipeated by remote fill-in home or other stations
4) RELAY should NOT be digipeated by any home or other station who's
vicinity is also covered by a full service APRS digi
5) Supported in ALL full-service APRS digipeaters
To which we can add:
6) Smart DIGI's may capture any direct RELAY,xxx,... path and change the
path automatically to the shortest path to the nearest IGate. And users
must accept such manipulation of their paths when using RELAY.
Such automation must also include the intelligence to be monitoring the
IGate in real time and only doing substitution if the digis has knowledge
that the IGate is operational.
This simple approach to automatic IGate path routing seems to be a simple,
backwards compatible, transparent step forward with the existing system
towards where we are headed under the new APRS n-N paradigm.
de WB4APR, Bob
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