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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Friday, October 17, 2003.
1. Re: Anderson Power Poles
2. Re: Anderson Power Poles
3. Re: Anderson Power Poles
4. Re: Anderson Power Poles
5. Re: [ "Sean \\The RIMBoy\\" ] Re: Anderson Power Poles
6. Re: Anderson Power Poles
7. 9612 eprom needed
8. RE: Balloon Information
9. Power Pole Assembly
10. Re: Balloon Information
11. Re: Power Pole Assembly
12. Re: Power Pole Assembly
13. Re: Power Pole Assembly
14. Updated APRS+ Icon files
15. Re: Power Pole Assembly
16. RE: Balloon Information
17. Could someone capture aprs data stream for 24 hrs?
18. Re: Power Pole Assembly
19. Re: Power Pole Assembly
20. Re: Power Pole Assembly
21. yaesu vx 150?
22. Re: Power Pole Assembly
23. Re: Power Pole Assembly
24. Re: Anderson Power Poles
25. Re: Power Pole Assembly
26. Re: Power Pole Assembly
27. Re: Anderson Power Poles
28. Re: Power Pole Assembly
29. Re: Anderson Power Poles
30. Re: Power Pole Assembly
31. Re: Anderson Power Poles
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Subject: Re: Anderson Power Poles
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:00:41 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean \The RIMBoy\" <sean@rimboy.com>
To: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Cc: "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group" <aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Re: Anderson Power Poles
>Because in an emergency you don't want to have to diddle with wiring stuff
>up. You should be able to plug in and go. By standardizing on a
>connector you save yourself from having to crimp connections and blow up
>your rig in a stressful heat of the moment.
Okay. You have your rig all wired and ready to go. You show up to where
ever you were told to go and the comm officer in charge asks you to go to
County vehicle number 9 and be ready to go in 10 minutes. Now you are faced
with a wiring task.....and who knows what you are going to need. Likely a
spade connector at the starter solinoid or a j-clamp on the battery
positive cable will do the trick. Hopefully, you can snake the wires out
of the hood and into the window, but if not, that awl and hammer make a
pretty fast hole to snake wire thru 'if' they dont have connectors on them.
How is having this standard everyone speaks of going to change this? Being
prepared is knowing what to do
>Instead you can just plug in
>and go without having to think about getting it wired up.
Plug it in where? Who says you are going to be in your vehicle?
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: Re: Anderson Power Poles
From: "Sean \\The RIMBoy\\" <sean@rimboy.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:43:05 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 2
You're missing the point (as I'm sure you will with the other posts).
Let's end this now since it's OT.
Sean...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Spider wrote:
>Okay. You have your rig all wired and ready to go. You show up to where
>ever you were told to go and the
>comm officer in charge asks you to go to County vehicle number 9 and be
>ready to go in 10 minutes.
--
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Subject: Re: Anderson Power Poles
From: David VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:25:39 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3
>Okay. You have your rig all wired and ready to go. You show up to where
>ever you were told to go and the
>comm officer in charge asks you to go to County vehicle number 9 and be
>ready to go in 10 minutes.
>Now you are faced with a wiring task.....and who knows what you are going to
>need. Likely a spade connector at the starter solinoid or a j-clamp on the
>battery positive cable will do the trick.
HT and a mag mount?
FT-1500 and a battery, and a mag mount?
How likely is it that they'll let you go hacking into an emergency
vehicle's electrical system? I'd be nervous if it was my vehicle. Some
trust comes with experience, but of course you won't be lucky to get
assigned where they know you.
I would stick with lighter plugs and clip leads for interfacing to other
people's vehicles, unless they approve.
Yes, I carry a lighter plug to power pole adaptor. Two in fact, because
those two, plus my long extension cable, makes an improvised jumper cable.
Low current, charger, not a starter.
I also carry jumper cables, that connect to my in-place 75A powerpole
connectors fore and aft on my car.
>Hopefully, you can snake the
>wires out of the hood and into the window, but if not, that awl and hammer
>make a pretty fast hole to snake wire thru 'if' they dont have connectors on
>them. How is having this standard everyone speaks of going to change this?
Any connector standard is irrelevant to this, this is a mechanical problem.
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Subject: Re: Anderson Power Poles
From: "Daron J. Wilson" <daron@wilson.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:33:54 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4
>Okay. You have your rig all wired and ready to go. You show up to where
>ever you were told to go and the
>comm officer in charge asks you to go to County vehicle number 9 and be
>ready to go in 10 minutes.
>Now you are faced with a wiring task.....and who knows what you are going to
>need. Likely a spade connector at the starter solinoid or a j-clamp on the
>battery positive cable will do the trick. Hopefully, you can snake the
>wires out of the hood and into the window, but if not, that awl and hammer
>make a pretty fast hole to snake wire thru 'if' they dont have connectors on
>them. How is having this standard everyone speaks of going to change this?
>Being prepared is knowing what to do
Being prepared is knowing what to do AND having the proper equipment to
do it.
I hope you aren't telling me you are going to pound a hole in the
firewall of someones vehicle and shove a wire, without a grommet (of
course you are, otherwise the hole would be large enough to push power
poles through) into the interior? Please don't try to help in my area,
this is just the kind of recklessness we don't need. Looking to start a
vehicle fire? I hope your liability insurance is paid up.
If you must go through the firewall, either use an existing hole with a
protective grommet or poke a hole in one of the many rubber boots used
to get cables through the firewall, they are almost completely self
healing when you pull the wire out.
There are many ways to hook up power safely and quickly, no matter what
kind of connector. My point is once you have made that connection, if
you have a standard fitting, anyone else participating with the standard
fitting can connect quickly and easily.
>Plug it in where?
I hope you've figured out the answer to this one already!
73 de N7HQR
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Subject: Re: [ "Sean \\The RIMBoy\\" ] Re: Anderson Power Poles
From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" <gregg@skymaster.cytetech.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:51:25 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5
>>I run around powering things all the time in emergency situations. I'd much
>>rather have a wire I can strip, clamp and insulate, rather than worry about
>>not having the right connector. Lord knows I never seem to have the right
>>breakers!
>
>Well, you can only plan so much. The thing is, they're at least planning
>ahead. And it's not like you can't relatively safely jam an alligator
>clip into a power pole (I said relatively safely).
>
>>I think that this standard needs to include all thinkable possibilities and
>>hams should have the gear to connect to power any way they can, in very
>>short notice.
>
>I'm sure they do. By standardizing on the power pole they're eliminating
>many possibilities... if you've already standardized on the power pole
>then all you *may* need is a power pole with bare wires/lugs/spades, a
>power pole to the std connector most radio manf use and a power pole to
>molex. I'd say you've got most of the bases covered.
In the center console of my truck, I have:
o Cigarette lighter cord with PP connectors (12gauge wire)
o Power pole with 3ft 12guage wire ready to strip and wire.
o 6ft long, 5 connector PP splitter, read to use as is, or
cut into various wires with PP connectors on them
o PP wire with clamp connectors for attaching to car battery posts
o PP wire with spade connector male and another female.
o PP wire with lugs
o 30amp fuse block with PP on each side.
In my bag I have:
o bag of several pairs PP connectors
o Crimping tool
o 25ft of 12gauge multi-strand wire
o extra clamp connectors with bare wire
o extra male/female spade connectors to attach to wire
o 2x6v battery coupling female spade wire (3in)
o extra 30amp, 20amp, and 10amp fuses for fuse blocks
o various PP accessory pieces for building a safe power
system (retainers and isolation devices), fast.
PP really are what everyone should be using. They've been used widely in many
other industries for many years. The 120+amp connectors are used in
industries with large electric loads such as electric forklifts, large
charging stations etc.
Now if we could just get the radio manufactures to switch, we'd be set!
If you hate PP, fine, use what you like. If you haven't tried them, get the
10 pair package from the web, and get a crimping tool for ~$10.00 either off
the web or at you local home/lumber/hardware store.
I had tons of problems with power management. Now, it just works!
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gregg@cytetech.com (Cyte Technologies Inc)
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