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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Tuesday, September 16, 2003.
1. Re: Abusive Digi id paths
2. Email by APRS... problems?
3. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
4. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
5. Re: Email by APRS... problems?
6. re: abusive paths
7. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
8. Re: [ui-view] Re: Seen today on PCSat.
9. Re: APRS and Police
10. RE: [OFF TOPIC] Versign greed to screw up DNS
11. APRS PERL Question
12. Re: Abusive Digi id paths
13. Re: APRS PERL Question
14. Re: APRS Uses Was: Abusive Digi id paths
15. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
16. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
17. Re: APRS PERL Question
18. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
19. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
20. WiFi at DCC
21. Re: What else can APRS provide? (Was Abusive Digi id paths)
22. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
23. Re: WiFi at DCC
24. Re: WiFi at DCC
25. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
26. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
27. APRS software for SAR
28. Re: Email by APRS... problems?
29. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
30. Re: APRS software for SAR
31. Re: APRS software for SAR
32. re: abusive paths
33. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
34. APRS Network Infrastructure ID's
35. Nodes versus DIGI's
36. Travel Report on use of "WIDE" - IGATE access
37. Re: Travel Report on use of "WIDE" - IGATE access
38. Send KPC-3+ beacon data by email?
39. Re: Travel Report on use of "WIDE" - IGATE access
40. Re: Travel Report on use of "WIDE" - IGATE access
41. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
42. Re: Travel Report on use of "WIDE" - IGATE access
43. Re: APRS software for SAR
44. Re: APRS software for SAR
45. Re: APRS software for SAR
46. Re: APRS software for SAR
47. Re: APRS software for SAR
48. Re: APRS software for SAR
49. Proper DIGI ID interleaving
50. PCsat holding.
51. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
52. Paths
53. Re: Proper DIGI ID interleaving
54. Re: Paths
55. Re: APRS software for SAR
56. Re: Proper DIGI ID interleaving
57. Re: APRS software for SAR
58. Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
59. Caution: Pedantic Academic Content follows
60. Re: Paths
61. Re: Caution: Pedantic Academic Content follows
62. Re: Caution: Pedantic Academic Content follows
63. Re: Caution: Pedantic Academic Content follows
64. RE: APRS software for SAR
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Subject: Re: Abusive Digi id paths
From: Greg Higgins <greghiggins@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:59:53 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1
Speaking as one who has been intimately involved with disasters around the
country over the years......there will be NO communications, of any type,
immediately after a large scale storm as all of the "permanent" sites will
be off the air either due to (mainly) power outages or loss of the physical
site. This is where amateur radio stands out. The fact that we don't have
to wait on any outside agency to begin getting on the air. We have trained
folks with lots of equipment who are willing to step up and provide for
their community.
What is important, is that each area of the country identify, develop and
test their system. Before the bad news strikes. Numerous times. Until it is
second nature. What are you going to do if Joe Bob, who has all of the
equipment and knowledge and who is a main "leg" of your communications
system can not contribute because he or his family has been personally
affected?? Who is going to fill the need then? There must be backups' to
the backups' to the backups'. Or Plan A, B, C, D, E.......etc. And you had
better believe that I want a plan in place that has Dallas (or another
neighboring community) ready to step in and handle our communications if we
can't!!! And there WILL be times that this happens! Don't fool your selfs!
The ARRL offered up exactly this idea several years ago (strike teams?) but
they seemed to have died based on "nobody is going to play with my toys but
me". Too bad.
The other side of the coin is WHAT type of communications are going to be
required by the agencies you serve? Amateur radio is blessed with numerous
modes that allow a wide spectrum of options IF THEY ARE USED PROPERLY!
Based on the needs of the served agencies, practice, practice, practice
your disaster comm plans. This means if you choose APRS (or plain vanilla
packet) for a specific need, then identify before hand who is INSIDE the
disaster area for LOCAL needs (identified BEFORE the disaster) that can
swiftly get a digi/repeater on the air and several digi's OUTSIDE your area
that probably weren't effected to handle outbound traffic.
There are many other questions that MUST be answered BEFORE an incident
occurs to properly, professionally and promptly serve your area. How is
everyone going to know WHAT voice repeater is the primary contact point
immediately following a disaster. If all of your repeaters are down (and
this CAN happen!) how do you know that the person(s) with the backup system
are able to get it on the air in a reasonable amount of time? Do they need
help? Have they personally been effected? Is there a system in place to
verify the above? What are you going to do with all of the hams that have
never shown an inkling of interest before a disaster and who have no clue
how disaster nets are operated and who suddenly swamp the available repeaters?
It seems to me that all of this bickering is only good for exercising the
fingers on the keyboard. There are numerous ways to do things that works to
provide effective communications. But it all boils down to pre-incident
planning and practice. What works in my neck of the woods may not in your
neck of the woods. Share ideas about successful operations and quit
slamming each other.
Care to flame me? My delete button is handy! I only offer this up in an
effort to shed some light on an age old problem. Good luck!
Greg Higgins KB5GLV
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Subject: Email by APRS... problems?
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:01:43 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2
Okay, so I got adventurous tonight and decided to send an email using APRS -
i.e., not using any APRS program, but just using HyperTerminal and my
TNC....
Now the email went out just fine (after a couple of false starts - ":EMAIL"
and *four* spaces - yeah, I knew that!), but now every time I send a regular
position packet out I keep receiving the same "EMail message delivered..."
message back!
Did I do something terribly wrong or what? Is it waiting for some sort of
acknowledgment from me?? I'm confused....
Thanks for any help!
-R
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Subject: Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
From: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt@n2lbt.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:02:34 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
You're kidding, right Earl? I'm sure they're talking about AX.25
Digipeaters.
On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Earl Needham wrote:
>At 08:27 PM 9/15/2003 -0700, Spider wrote:
>><snip>
>>"Hey IC, looky here! I show 5 nodes on the map!" You think he'd
>>care?
>
> Let me ask again -- what purpose do nodes serve in a network
>that is all UNCONNECTED packets???
>
> Thanks,
> Earl
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Subject: Re: Abusive Digi id paths Was: Can someone contact this guy?
From: "Daron J. Wilson" <daron@wilson.org>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:20:51 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4
>Let me ask again -- what purpose do nodes serve in a network that
>is all UNCONNECTED packets???
Newton's Telecom Dictionary defines a node as " A point of connection
into a network." The purpose a node serves is as an access point into
the network.
Once again, a node is a point of connection to the network, and as such,
a place to access the network.
Hope that helps.
73 N7HQR
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Subject: Re: Email by APRS... problems?
From: James Jefferson <jj@aprsworld.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:41:47 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5
Nope, you're good. You'll probably get a handful of message delivered
messages. That is because the Sproul's e-mail server that you are using
expects you to send an "ack" packet back. Basically it wants you to
acknowledge the acknowledgement you sent it. :-) It will do that until it
gives up trying.
Here is what I am seeing for messages to and from you:
http://db.aprsworld.net/datamart/switch.php?call=KC8UCH%25&table=message&showal1
l=
You're also free to send messages addressed to 'E' with the e-mail address
being the first word in the message. This service uses the aprsworld.net
APRS to e-mail gateway. At the present time I don't think I have it
configured to sent ack packets. It will simply gateway whatever it hears,
however many times it hears it.
-Jim
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