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Asunto: Psk31 Digest V1 #170
Fecha: jueves 9 de septiembre de 1999 5:40
Psk31 Digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 170
In this issue:
Re: [psk31] DL4NCF/HI9 ?
Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
[psk31] Logger AFC/NET
Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
[psk31] PSKGNR troubles
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 05:55:47 -0400
From: Charles Greene <cgreene@loa.com>
Subject: Re: [psk31] DL4NCF/HI9 ?
At 10:16 AM 9/8/99 +0900, TOSHIAKI_KUROSAKI@m1.shinko.co.jp wrote:
>
>Does anyone know about the captioned station ?
>He was active in the cccc psk31 contest.
>I would like to contact him.
Here's an entry from my log. I don't have any other information.
Possibly it will be useful.
DL4NCF/HI9 ERWIN 589/589 26/Aug/1999 04:05:13z PSK31 14.071.546
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Try PSK31.
Chas, W1CG
Rhode Island TCPIP Address Coordinator
w1cg@arrl.net
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:13:17 +0000
From: Peter Martinez <Peter.Martinez@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
From Peter Martinez G3PLX.
I don't know how Logger/MIXW do the NET/AFC combination, but the way
I entended it should be used (and I think Charles is doing it wrong)
is to leave NET and AFC on all the time. They default ON in PSK31SBW
intentionally.
With both on, you start your transmission on the same frequency as
the end of his over, and he starts his transmission on the same
frequency as the end of yours. No-one needs to twiddle the tuning,
not even the SWL's. There's nothing wrong with following each other
up and down the band by a few Hz. It isn't constructive to disable
NET because you believe that it's the other fellow drifting and not
you. That means you end up working split, to the annoyance of other
listeners and especially to anyone wanting to join-in or tail-end.
The exception is when one station has a tx/rx offset, and that will
mean that BOTH stations have to quickly retune to the other when the
over is passed. When that seems to be happening, ONE station can
disable NET to stop the for-ever retuning. It's best if the station
with the offset problem disables NET at his end, because then the
listeners won't need to retune between overs, so long as the drift
isn't too bad.
If Logger/MIXW don't let you do it this way perhaps someone can alert
Bob/Nick.
73
Peter
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:29:34 -0600
From: "Gary McDuffie, Sr." <mcduffie@scottsbluff.net>
Subject: Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:13:17 +0000, Peter Martinez wrote:
> With both on, you start your transmission on the same frequency as
> the end of his over, and he starts his transmission on the same
> frequency as the end of yours. No-one needs to twiddle the tuning,
> not even the SWL's.
This is getting to be a sore subject with me. I do MUCH more
listening/monitoring than engaging in QSOs. There seems to be more and
more people QSOing on two different frequencies. This morning, I was
trying to monitor one that had 10 Hz between them. This is more than
the AFC will deal with (which I run off most of the time until I get
into a QSO).
Please folks, use both the NET and AFC modes unless you are in an
abnormal situation.
Thanks Peter. BTW, 1.08 is working great, but I agree the AGC needs to
be left slow for more accurate readings of the sidebands. On my rig, it
amounts to about 6 db in most cases between fast and slow (TS-850).
Gary
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:49:33 -0500
From: "hasan schiers" <schiers@netins.net>
Subject: Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Peter.
There are people on the air who are very agressively telling others just the
opposite of what you outlined herein. I don't think we have a software
problem, at least we didn't a few weeks ago. We have a problem with some
people on the air, and perhaps in the manual telling others that the
"official protocol" is to use the net and afc controls the wrong way (from
the way you decribe it). I find Peter's advise sound and intuitive.
I find your approach to the afc/net problem ideal for everyone concerned.
Now....when someone on the air or in a software manual appoints themself as
"protocol cop" and tells you the only
proper way to use your net and afc controls is to turn one on and the other
off and then reverse it, so you won't move freq, tell them you heard from
the author and it was his intention to allow some movement up the band in
order that we all stay together. The protocol is IN FACT to leave both ON!
I personally find it really ANNOYING when the two stations that are chatting
with each other are not on the same frequency...and if you use the method
that some are advocating it is virtually certain the two stations will NEVER
be on the same frequency.
So, please, follow Peter's advice and let the self appointed "protocol
police" say what they will. Peter's method makes much more sense, contrary
to the docs you may find in some psk31 programs. (Which I'm not going to
mention, cuz I don't want a fight.)
Peter came up with this mode, and built in the net and afc functions with
specific ideas in mind. We should stick to them, or at least say "we don't
agree" instead of trying to establish our innovations as the standard. The
fact is, the standard already existed to leave BOTH ON. The "new" idea to
turn one or the other off and gradually separate in frequency is NOT
standard. Calling itself standard or referring to "protocol" for psk31 while
using the net and afc functions in this NON-STANDARD fashion looks like
someone is trying to hijack the standard...kind of revisionist history, if
you will.
I find it reassuring that the way the software seems to work best, is in
fact, the way that Peter intended those very same functions to work.
73
hasan schiers, N0AN
schiers@netins.net
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:49:15 -0400
From: Vince <wa2rsx@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
Hello Hasan:
I have heard such instructions from Jim, WA2VOS, way back when MIXw32 was Demo
1.0... Perhaps Nick, UT2UZ, the author of MIXw32 had a different intention, or
logic, for use of the NET and AFC, and perhaps his software works differently,
by design. I dont know.
The message that I am getting from your posting and that from Gary is: we must
be careful, and not make general statements about how to use a software. There
are several other softwares available, as you already know. Since the other guy
might just be using a different software, I agree with you fellas: we must be
careful..
When I use Peter's software or the LOGGER program for PSK31, which is most
often, I use NET and AFC checked and I BELIEVE the functionality for NET and AFC
is the same.
I will ask Peter, here in this forum, if he knows if Bob, K4CY, has used the
psk31sbw code fully as a module for use within LOGGER vers 6.09? and if the AFC
and NET function in an identical manner?
73s, AND HAVE Fun out there.
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:08:02 EDT
From: K2hto@aol.com
Subject: [psk31] Logger AFC/NET
Hi Gang,
Reading the e-mails about AFC/NET please read on.....................
Logger AFC/NET does not work properly in Logger V6.09.
Would be nice to get this standardized in all versions. Peters works great.
Let's follow the leader. The others leave something to be desired.
This is the message from Bob Furzer that I received.
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This is from Bob Furzer.
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Date: 09/06/99 8:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: n6bfm@avana.net (Bob Furzer)
To: k2hto@arrl.net
It's already fixed for the next release.
73,
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73, Marty K2HTO
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:54:25 -0400
From: Charles Greene <cgreene@loa.com>
Subject: Re: [psk31] AFC/NET
At 05:13 PM 9/8/99 +0000, Peter Martinez wrote:
>>From Peter Martinez G3PLX.
>
>If Logger/MIXW don't let you do it this way perhaps someone can alert
>Bob/Nick.
Nick's latest version defaults Net off and AFC on at startup, but you
can change it. If you have Net off and AFC on, a little t shows up at the
top of the display, and a V on the receive freq. If you click on Net, the
t goes away, showing your transmitter is the same as the receiver.
Logger displays the RX freq in Hz in one readout, and the Tx freq
in Hz in another readout. It's just that the Tx freq doesn't change
except the first time you click on Net at which time it matches the
Rx freq and thereafter doesn't change. Maybe it changes when
you start transmitting - I don't know.
Nick send me e-mail early on advising not leaving NET on, as you
and the other station will be madly hopping each other up/down the
band. Much the same as on SSB, if each station retunes his receiver
to follow the other station's drift instead of leaving his transmitter alone
and using his RIT. The advantage to not keeping NET on all the time
is you and the other station will not follow each other up/down the band.
The disadvantage is that when you transmit, the other station has to
lock on your signal again, and he may miss the first part of your
transmission.
Which way you operate depends upon the whether you want to
drift a little, or miss part of the transmission. I got used to using
my RIT on SSB, as my transceiver drifts very little, and I extended
that concept to PSW31.
____________
Try PSK31.
Chas, W1CG
Rhode Island TCPIP Address Coordinator
w1cg@arrl.net
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:20:06 +0900
From: TOSHIAKI_KUROSAKI@m1.shinko.co.jp
Subject: [psk31] PSKGNR troubles
To all,
- -- Troubles --
1. When I make PSKGNR start, although PSK31SBW window are surely
on the panel, there appears an error message "Can't find PSK31
window". The error message always appears.
Note : PSK31SBW.exe is in the PSK31 folder, and the path to it
is correct.(c:/\psk31\psk31sbw.exe)
2. Then I always close both PSK31SBW and PKSGNR. And then, I start
PSKGNR again. This time PSKGNR and PSK31SBW open normally.
Thus, to use PSKGNR(at the same time to use PSK31SBW), I must
start PSKGNR twice !
My os is windows95, which maybe have no touble itself.
Any informatins would be helpful.
T.Kurosaki JA0KSB
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