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73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:16:06 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Best speed without line-of-sight?
"Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message
news:8bp3vf0dh3@enews4.newsguy.com...
> When I talked to the folks at the FCC's enforcement division, I was told
> that they would be most interested in ANY transmission of advertising
> material transported over a digital Ham link. My specific question was about
> the "juno.com" ads stuck on the end of E-mails that are ported over to the
> Ham network. I was told that ANY advertisement transmitted over the Ham
> bands was illegal as hell. Period.
What section of Part 97 did they quote to you?
Better be REALLY REALLY careful when you talk on the local repeater.
Wouldn't want to get caught mentioning that ad for the new rig you
saw in QST would you now?
That's 3rd party commercial advertising, transmitted over ham radio!
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:28:05 -0600
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Best speed without line-of-sight?
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:WtVD4.552$Ju2.39673@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message
> news:8bp3vf0dh3@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
> > When I talked to the folks at the FCC's enforcement division, I was told
> > that they would be most interested in ANY transmission of advertising
> > material transported over a digital Ham link. My specific question was
about
> > the "juno.com" ads stuck on the end of E-mails that are ported over to
the
> > Ham network. I was told that ANY advertisement transmitted over the Ham
> > bands was illegal as hell. Period.
>
> What section of Part 97 did they quote to you?
They didn't, possibly because I wasn't interested in asking for one. I have
my own copy of PART97, and called the FCC for clarification on an issue I
was not certain about. There's nothing to prevent you from giving those
folks a ring yourself though, if you really need a quote.
I was interested in whether the juno.com ads I was seeing at the end of
E-mails ported over to the Packet network were legal or not. I asked a
straightforward question about those particular advertisements on the Ham
bands, and got a straightforward answer. They are illegal as hell. Period.
By the way, the problem with the advertisements over Packet in my area was
eliminated within a month of my call to the FCC. My Packet monitoring
screen's disk capture has not contained a single juno.com ad (or any other)
in the year since. We still have several gateways of course, but the SYSOPs
of those stations have developed a touching respect for the PART97 regs that
didn't exist before.
>
> Better be REALLY REALLY careful when you talk on the local repeater.
Yep, but that's not a problem for me. I'm aware of the basics of proper,
legal operation of an Amateur Radio station, and have found it quite
possible to enjoy using the repeater while operating within the regs. - But
then again, I'm not more interested in tcpip than I am in Amateur Radio, so
I'm not presented with much temptation to flout those regs in the first
place. I may operate tcpip, but first and foremost, I'm a Ham.
>
> Wouldn't want to get caught mentioning that ad for the new rig you
> saw in QST would you now?
No problem there... I can talk about ads all I want to on the repeater, and
not just those pertaining to Amateur Radio equipment. - But that doesn't
mean I can transmit the ads themselves.
You can, for example, order a pizza over the phone patch on the local
repeater, under certain conditions. You cannot, however, legally air taped
or retransmitted ads for PIZZA INN over that same repeater, under ANY
conditions. Period.
Don't take my word for it though, Hank, or even the FCC's. Show a little
confidence in your own "interpretation"; Tape a few advertisements (any will
do, but PIZZA INN would be a good test case) off of a commercial radio
station, or simply port them directly from the commercial freqs over to your
local Amateur Radio repeater.
Bet you won't do it for long, Pardner!
You can hide behind the Packet Braaaps and get away with just about
anything. (For a while) But not on a voice repeater that (surprise!)
operates under the same regs that Packet stations do, as far as legal and
illegal content is concerned.
It appears that since you've been working on SNOS, you've picked up some of
the typical LandLine Lid disdain for the Amateur Radio PART97 regs.
Better get over it, OM. FCC enforcement is serious now, not the joke it was
just a few years ago. Make a big deal out of flouting the regs, and somebody
from Washington will end up making a big deal out of adjusting your
attitude.
>
> That's 3rd party commercial advertising, transmitted over ham radio!
Nope. It's discussion of an ad, not transmission of the ad itself. Big
difference there. The difference between legal - and illegal.
Ever wonder why we don't see ads on the Packet net from Kenwood, Yaesu, or
even non-profit organizations such as TAPR for the items they offer for
sale?
Ever wonder why we can tune in any Amateur Radio frequency and not find them
filled to the brim with commercial advertisements transmitted by your fellow
Hams? This convention is respected by regulatory agencies worldwide, not
just in the USA. Damn good thing it is, too, or we could easily end up
kissing our bit of spectrum goodbye.
I won't turn you in, Hank, because I have seen no evidence of illegal
operation on your part. You CLAIM that you are doing so, but you have a
long-standing reputation for taking delight in flummoxing your fellow hams
as to what you are or are not doing. It's gotten to the point where hardly
anyone takes your word (in that area) as being worth paying attention to.
(There are many other areas, of course, where your word is as good as gold,
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