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Packet-Radio Digest Tue, 20 Jul 99 Volume 99 : Issue 167
Today's Topics:
Future of Packet (4 msgs)
Help!!with IFLOWS modem
Messages via Internet to Paket-Radio
Programs for Baycom Modem (3 msgs)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:45:35 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Future of Packet
Peter O. Brackett wrote in message <7mtvg7$mqp@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>...
>Folks:
>
>The main problem with amateur packet radio networks today is that they are
>agonizingly SLOW compared to the readily and economically available
>commercial alternatives. Modern data networking applications simply don't
>work well when running only at 300 bps, or 1200 bps. [or even at 56,000
>bps!]
That excuse is at least a decade old, and has no more validity now than it
had ten years ago.
In fact, the essential negativity about our present packet net contained
within that line of alleged "reasoning" has served to stifle any progress we
might have made during that time, as it stifles any progress we might be
making now.
We can thank the Amateur TCPIP community for this particular bit of idiocy.
In other places where Hams were not discouraged from using, enjoying, and
improving their packet net by Amateur TCPIP propagandists, there has been
uninterrupted growth during the last ten years. Since those Hams worked on
their packet nets instead of sitting around talking about how slow they
were, now they have the "fast" kind of packet net this person is talking
about as he mindlessly parrots the old amateur TCPIP "party line" one more
time..
Here in the USA, we've had that negative, essentially anti-Ham sentiment
expressed to us so many times that it has become the Amateur TCPIP mantra. -
An endless buzz of unreasoning stupidity.
News Flash:
Running down what people have and what they are currently doing is not a
good first step to making things better.. In fact, it's a sure recipe for
miring yourself permanently in mediocrity.
>
>If we don't do something to address the speed issue with amateur packet
>radio, I believe that it will simply die from boredom! Also the whole
world
>has now migrated to TCP/IP. There are currently over 300 million terminals
>world wide that now speak TCP/IP! We are still in the dark ages with
AX.25.
>Face it, there are no more commercial X.25 networks. The world has moved
>on! What?
The fastest, most extensive packet network in the world uses - AX25. - Duh!
tcpip is run OVER that AX25 net at high speed, allowing use of many of the
applications this individual mentioned in his anti-ham tirade.
Another way amateur tcpip devotees have held back the USA packet net is by
their legendary stupidity and ignorance about packet radio. They are too
busy making disparaging comments and uninformed suggestions to devote any of
their time to actually finding out what's going on.
They have the "too smart to learn" syndrome, which pretty wells dooms them
to perpetual ignorance.
>
>I ask, how can we as amateur radio packet radio enthusiasts [sic] get our
>act together and get out of the 1200 bps AX.25 "swamp"?
First step: Take all that negative amateur tcpip propaganda and stick it
where the sun don't shine.
>
>Lord knows we have plenty of RF bandwidth still available to us [for now].
Yes, it's true that many great node sites have been lost to the general
malaise our amateur tcpip "gurus" have generated with their unreasoning
hostility toward any amateur packet radio activity they notice which is not
"pure" tcpip.
>
>If we don't get organized for success in this area, we will end up losing
>all of those uwave frequencies, and the younger generation will simply be
>surfing the Internet or Internet2 without us!
Ham radio is not for Internet surfing, Bozo. After busting your butt to
come up with high-speed RF access to the Internet, what you will discover is
that a great percentage of what is on the Internet is ILLEGAL to transmit
over the Ham bands.
You will also discover that commercial outfits can and do provide faster RF
access with no such restrictions. Only a complete idiot would even express
an interest in "Ham Radio web-browsing". It is simply not appropriate or
practical.
The general reaction to this among amateur tcpip morons is " well lets get
rid of those restrictions against commercial activity and porno!"
Yes, they are THAT stupid and self-absorbed! Amazing but true.
They are THAT ready to destroy Amateur Radio entirely, if they see it as the
expedient thing for promoting amateur tcpip above all else.. With this
attitude, amateur tcpip devotees show a complete disregard for the welfare
of Amateur Radio and their fellow Hams.
If it were up to me, every one of them would be too busy picking my boot out
of their asses to cause any more trouble for the US packet net.
73 DE Charles Brabham,
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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