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Subj: OK Warren and Ian ...
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DT: Thursday, May 10th.,2012 @ 2207hrs EST <JPST>
Hello Warren and Ian, and thanks for the postings, they
are quite thought provoking, and worth comparing with
what is promised now, on paper August 2012.
There are now a few autos, not only in the US ,but Canada
that offer up an alternative to Gasoline, and it seems
most have locked on to battery powered, and refilling
by pluging in at home or the office. Before being offered
on the market, they were tested here, and their test
humans love'em so much they bought them, and then
as the next generation came out for the market they
bought the newer model.
> It looks like the air car will appear in the US in a few years
> according to Popular Mechanics. Not exactly zero pollution,
> it will have a heater to increase the volume of air and an
> internal combustion motor that kicks in above 35mph or 56km/h.
If it has to have an internal combustion motor, then I guess
this one in the magazine is one of many, to give the oil
companys a nightmare, and then too a cut into their profits.
Tata has the price in India as being 365,757 Rupees, or in US money
$ 8,177.00 ...but then we'll have to wait and see, as those offered
now might find themselves obselete.
Awitching to Ian G0TEZ's offering;
> Yes, the MDI web site gave one of the options of the air car as
> being a heater and a small i/c motor to top up the compressed air
> cylinder.
> They also mentioned making production/marketing arrangements with
> an American firm in addition to the arrangements with the Indian
> firm TATA.
I only have the hardcopy print of what is called the "Mini Cat"
and all credit is given to MDI's ex-formula one engineer, as well
as the U-tube which shows quite a few models, so I guess I missed
that one Ian.
> It is worth mentioning that several designs for alternative cars
> were around as long ago as the 1920s/30s. One of them had 'dynamotors'
> on each wheel, making it capable of what we nowadays call
> 'Regenerative braking' as well as a very small, top up motor +
> generator.
Funny you mentioning this, as my father mentioned this long ago
to me, and had some pretty good historical facts to back up what he
was saying, and there were quite a few alternatives. Nothing new
really, just not the technology to really make them worthwhile.
> A lot of 'modern' inventions or, more correctly re-inventions come
> from a...long time ago. The one thing the old version didn't have
> was any kind of solar generation. There were light sensitive valves
> which could have generated power but no need to explain why that
> idea was not even worth consideration.
YES... the biggest problem was the size of the batterys. No solar then.
> The main reason for alternatives was that, even then, inventors and
> scientists thought that the internal combustion engine with a
> gearbox was an out of date idea.
Did we not discuss this one night. I dare say, as soon as the
gasoline engine was put to work in a car, they were looking for ways
to make the car better, but for the lack of undeveloped technology.
> The only reasonable alternative to the 19th century engine has been
> the Wankel rotary engine which, I think, is still used. I remember
> the Mazda R80 which was quite successful, The Wankel is still a good
> idea though I don't know why it hasn't spread.
BIG money stopped it over here Ian. As you state Mazda had them
as the power plants, and then they just disappeared, and I wonder
if buying a part of the company saw their demise.
> Next time you are driving along, remember that you are using basically
> 19th century technology, all the modern improvements are really mostly
> cosmetic. Such devices as Satnaff do nothing to improve the performance
> of the car, any more than go faster stripes.
aaah comeon Ian..I love those flashy mag wheels, and the thrush mufflers
and stripes, and ...mmmm...make'em bumble bee types hhahha...yeah.
BUT
I really had a plain Jane, with the BIG motor under the hood and well
gas was cheap, as the needle indicating fuel... certainly moves from
Full to E ...really quick.
Now I drive the 4 popper, and I wouldn't mind a air engine. Yeah I
will be looking at them when they arrive here. I do like the little
two-seater Smartcar by benz. That is so cute.
aah...time to load the dishwasher-like-machine...have some tea and
blab a while with Maria... so see you new time. The Mini Cat BTW
looks like that vehicle called the Element.
What gets me also is the range at only 300km ... oh well
73 Pete VE3WBZ
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