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Subj: Re: Poor Aboriginal Health rpt
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Bob, VK6BE wrote:-
> I don't really know why I am buying into this,
I do.
Because you're always spoiling for a fight when you see my callsign.
You treat people as adversaries - not fellow hobbyists.
>but once again David is relying on one report for information
>and disregarding some factors which are significant.
Not so.
The issues and how best to address them, is in the report, but you haven't
bothered to read it. You dismissed it out of hand because it irks you that
I have the temerity to raise important issues which you believe that only
you may hold the patent on.
>Alcoholism is rife among aboriginals
True.
Don't you think I know that?
Read the 6-page report by the Australian Medical Association.
>IN other words he just does not know the situation here but in his usual
>style he ploughs in again.
Another silly remark - what a very rude man you are.
>What would he do without the Internet?
Ironically some of what I've written about Oz is teaching resources which
you're ignorant of but would have to be conversant with were you still at
the "chalk face".
>The aboriginals have access to ALL the health benefits which the white
>population have and they don't have to pay for it.
You demonstrate a poor grasp of the issues.
They do *not* - as you assert, "have access to all the health benefits".
Key barriers to access to health services are:
Remoteness due to scattered inaccessible communities,
Lack of health workers in those communities,
Lack of transport and;
Lack of equipment and facilities.
You infer that Aboriginal people have the same equality of access to
facilities as you do, but don't avail themselves because they sit around
getting drunk all day.
>Some aboriginals live in remote areas and are far from hospitals
>and towns.
True.
Which contradicts what you said about "access to facilities".
It leaves three options:
1) Bring the people together closer to facilities.
(Practical, but considered unacceptable by some).
2) Take the facilities to the people.
Not very practical due to wide dispersal, difficulties
of equipment, and huge costs involved.
Some services can only be provided at hospitals.
3) Do nothing.
Not politically or humanely acceptable.
> OK David give us the solution.
I don't need to.
Professionals and politicians who care about these quite appalling issues
are addressing them. If - like me, you were truly interested, you'd find
out more about what's being done - not try to defend what han't been done
in the past.
The problems are deep-seated and down to us.
I'll try to make it simple:
The Aboriginal people are the original Australians.
They were hunter-gatherers who didn't understand the concept of land
ownership.
Whereas British settlers came from a small country of communities with
settled life styles of towns and villages, cultivated land and factories,
where people mostly stayed in one place.
Thus, when the Brits arrived in Australia they declared it "terra
nullius",
a Latin expression derived from Roman Law meaning "no man's land", i.e.
"empty land", (applying the general principle of "res nullius" to real
estate, in terms of private ownership and/or as territory under public
law).
The rest is history.
50,000 years of heritage rudely disturbed.
It seemed OK by the standards of the day.
>The report was from a member of the AMA.
No it wasn't. Try to pay attention.
>He is looking at one aspect only.
No he wasn't.
The report was the distillations of papers from 24 professionals and
academics with the weight of all 27,000 members of the AMA, and entitled:
"Institutionalised Inequality - Not Just a Matter of Money".
"Equal Health Access a Priority For Aboriginal Australians"
Your own Doctor as a member of the AMA will have endorsed the report.
The Australian Medical Association (AMA) is an independent organisation
representing more than 27,000 doctors - salaried and in private practice,
general practitioners, specialists, teachers, researchers, and doctors in
training.
>You are also being very discriminatory digging out all the dirt you can
>about my country.
That comment is reprehensible.
I do not "dig dirt".
It's you who's being discriminatory in digging out each and every one of
my bulletins to use as yet another opportunity to start an argument.
The whole text of the bull wasn't from my hand - it was clipped from the
AMA report on how it's addressing health issues of the Aboriginal people.
It's a positive well-written report by a highly regarded professional
body in Oz which outlines the issues and makes many recommendations.
It isn't me you are slagging off - it's they.
You should be ashamed of yourself for being so rude to your fellow
countrymen and a professional body. If you can't engage in sensible
debate, you should refrain from comment or find another hobby instead
of disrupting this one.
>Ignorance supreme!!
Yes - your ignorance, coupled with arrogance.
>Now I sit here and wait for the flames!
No flames from me Bob.
Just a rebuttal of your baseless criticism - not of me, but of the AMA.
> Shoot boys, you who live 12000 miles away and know everything about
> Australia!!
How infantile and flippant is that?
Bob, you are an ambassador of your great country and your hobby, but
frankly if you carry on like this much longer you'll just be seen as
a figure of fun.
>Funny that Britons are queuing up to come here!
Why would they not want to?
It's a wonderful place, with wonderful people. Why else would the
population have increased five-fold in the last 100 years? It's not
called "the lucky country" for no good reason.
Oz ranks third in the world on the Human Development Index for Quality of
Life out of 59 developed countries. Just 0.2 points behind Iceland and 0.8
points behind Norway.
(BTW, I didn't get that "off" internet).
Good eh?
Happy now?
Best wishes
David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR
Cottingham, East Yorkshire.
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