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From: "J. Hoffa" <J.Hoffa@underground.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
If the purpose of your station is to make it look like some other
licensed service, then the thinking is, that you are not in the
hobby for the right reasons.
The purpose of ham radio is purely hobby, with operators
discussing things that have to do with radio, or experimenting
with radio modes.
Once that mode is established as an accepted part of the hobby,
it cannot be used to provide any services that you would otherwise
be expected to pay for, or subscribe to.
There is the disaster services aspect, but this has been pretty
much overshadowed by FEMA, and is mostly redundant.
The best band to use today, for non-hobby communications,
is Part-15 allocations (this includes many ham frequencies, as
Part 15 covers almost all of DC to Light. The best bands though,
are the ones that authorize Spread Spectrum, and these allow
power levels and antennas that are useful.
> Many prohibitions, here is one:
>
> S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
> (a) No amateur station shall transmit:
> (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
> furnished alternatively through other radio services.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:48:07 -0400
From: Dave Hall <nojunkmail_n3cvj@worldlynx.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
Hank Oredson wrote:
>
> "O.C." <mortuus1952@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8rvkdb$ed4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > horedson@att.net (Hank the HF forwarding god) wrote:
> > >
> > >You really need to read Part 97.
> >
> > The above isn't a proper response. Please quote the
> > wording that says you can't provide e-mail on ham radio
> > packet because e-mail is available from commercial
> > providers.
>
> Many prohibitions, here is one:
>
> S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
>
> (a) No amateur station shall transmit:
>
> (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
> furnished alternatively through other radio services.
>
>
One could debate the definition of "regular basis". But the rule is
there just the same. I find that gating E-mail from the internet to a
packet radio mail address, is perfectly fine. Where people like Stew
cross the line, is when they start talking about apps that access the
weather, stock quotes, horoscopes, games, and other activities that are
clearly not within the purpose of ham radio. Such activities ARE
available through normal commercial providers, and since these are
commercial venture, they may be in violation of the "no business" rules
as well.
These rules were deliberately and thoughtfully created to prevent people
from duplicating the communications efforts of the telco industry, on a
large scale. If these rules were not in place, hams could theoretically
create a network that provided a service to the populous at large, while
bypassing many of the legal, and regulatory issues that commercial
providers must deal with, thereby giving the "amateurs" an unfair
competative advantage.
Yes, it's about money (isn't always?). The powerful lobbies of the telco
industry were effective at setting these rules in place.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:22:20 GMT
From: "O.C." <mortuus1952@my-deja.com>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
In article <1PQE5.2538$gk.145973@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > O.C. (wn1z) wrote:
> > The above isn't a proper response. Please quote the
> > wording that says you can't provide e-mail on ham radio
> > packet because e-mail is available from commercial
> > providers.
>
> Many prohibitions, here is one:
>
> S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
>
> (a) No amateur station shall transmit:
>
> (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
> furnished alternatively through other radio services.
Well, thanks for the quote. In spite of this, the FCC
hasnīt moved to shut down all those scores (hundreds?)
of jnos-tnos-xnos stations. I will operate if i choose
to, given that apparently the FCC isnīt interpreting its
rules in the same way you seem to. Also, I doubt that
any of my users 1997-98 had other RADIO access to
internet e-mail.
wn1z
--
Nemo me impune lacessit!
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Before you buy.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:44:05 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
O.C. <mortuus1952@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Well, thanks for the quote. In spite of this, the FCC
>hasnīt moved to shut down all those scores (hundreds?)
>of jnos-tnos-xnos stations. I will operate if i choose
>to, given that apparently the FCC isnīt interpreting its
>rules in the same way you seem to.
Apparently the situation in the USA is the same as over here: content
restriction violations on amateur band (and other similar violations that
do not put other users of the radio spectrum in danger) are extremely low
priority. This is equal to "never get handled unless asked for by some
official in the amateur radio society".
Ask some ARRL official to call them and they are shut down the next day.
Rob
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