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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:42:05 GMT
From: "O.C." <mortuus1952@my-deja.com>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
horedson@att.net (Hank the HF forwarding god) wrote:
>
>You really need to read Part 97.
The above isn't a proper response. Please quote the
wording that says you can't provide e-mail on ham radio
packet because e-mail is available from commercial
providers.
Dave Hall <nojunkmail_n3cvj@worldlynx.net> wrote:
> O.C. (mortuus1952@my-deja.com) wrote:
> >
> > So if a ham radio packet-internet gateway provides e-mail
> > service to the radio-side users, it's illegal because they
> > could get that service from a commercial provider? I don't
> > think so. In 1997-98 i was doing just this, and was in
> > communication with dozens of other hams doing it as well.
> > Where are you getting the fuel for this allegation?
>
> It is legal to provide a service to other hams, provided that
> you do not charge for the service, and that the messages
> contained comply with the FCC's rules. You (as sysop) are
> responsible to ensure conformity to FCC regulations. Private,
> personal E-mail is fine. But don't start sending
> advertizing, or soliciting for business transactions.
Exactly.
Dave Hall further wrote:
> [snip] ... and as a system operator, it is up to YOU
> to make sure it stays that way. Do you want to be responsible
> for filtering out all of the internet flotsam that may flow
> through your station? E-mail is one thing, but you open up a
> can of worms (and possible trouble with the FCC)if you start
> granting full internet access.
Well at 1200 baud i wasn't about to "open up full access,"
just e-mail. I had about four users, and in a little over
a year, no junk e-mail had started coming thru. If it had
started to do so, i had a policy (and mechanism) to control
that. I'm not going to go into the details of the policy i
had because i don't have to defend it here ... suffice it to
say i was satisfied that i was doing what i needed to do to
protect my license. The ares/races and HF-god people in my
area wouldn't touch my system (good riddance) but one of the
younger god-approved sysops did put a notice to HIS users that
i was on frequency and he put a node connection available to
his users in order for them to get to me. I moved away from
that area (1998), else i'd still be doing it.
The scores of people i was in touch with (via an e-mail list)
who were/are doing the same thing i was, reported that they'd
never yet had problems that could get them canned.
The hams in the San Francisco bay area who had 100K+
capability told me that THEIR problem was that no one was
interested in playing with them ... the equipment starts
getting pricey. So, ham radio dies for lack of interest...
Orrin wn1z
--
Nemo me impune lacessit!
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:31:04 GMT
From: wb5gmk <wb5gmk@flash.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
Save your money to buy stock in VisionZoom
Mike
> I'm working on a PUBLIC Internet-backboned system that will operate on
> MURS frequencies, uses existing PDAs, and will be VERY low-priced.
>
> ------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
> Wireless High-Speed Networking and
> Public Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:06:37 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
"O.C." <mortuus1952@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rvkdb$ed4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> horedson@att.net (Hank the HF forwarding god) wrote:
> >
> >You really need to read Part 97.
>
> The above isn't a proper response. Please quote the
> wording that says you can't provide e-mail on ham radio
> packet because e-mail is available from commercial
> providers.
Many prohibitions, here is one:
S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
furnished alternatively through other radio services.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:08:47 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rsvpv$9nr$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <0h2E5.2413$524.139665@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > The topic was the regular handling of internet email via ham radio, to
> > avoid the use of a common carrier internet connection.
>
> The discussion is about PDAs Hank. Nobody is avoiding anything. The
> common carriers do not provide equivalent services. There are MANY
> cases where you can't use a common carrier, but could use your own
> service in a PDA mobile application. I'm not about to carry around
> BOTH, because I "might" be able to use the common carrier service
> sometimes - that is silly.
Cell phones provide internet connectivity.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:59:53 GMT
From: helpfull@my-deja.com
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
Refering to the rule about prohibition on radio services REASONABLY
provided elsewhere and combined with thinking about "cellular" now
doing Internet connetivity so hams can't; I submit the following.
Whew! Since "cell" phones don't provide any service at a reasonable
price; the point is mute. :)
73
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Before you buy.
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Date: (null)
From: (null)
Exactly how does this bit of advice on my part display arrogance?
> > > Well the old Kantronics KPC-3's work fine but the new pluses are a
> > > bit better. For packet any old 486 or low grade pentium will work just
> > > fine for packet.
> >
> > Heavens, if all you need is a terminal for a KPC-3, even an old 386 box is
> likely
> > to do the trick. Older machines are suitable, too, but the software
support
> is likely
> > to be poor.
> >
> > Dana K6JQ
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