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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 00 14:37:34 MET
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From: pa2aga@pe1mvx.ampr.org
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> are years behind! Over here in Europe all the schoolkids have a handheld
> phone (GSM) and are sending short text messages to eachother when in places
> where it is not clever to talk in the thing.
>
> No range limitation, you can chat to your buddy whenever both of you are in
> range of the mobile network. Which should be anytime, given the fact that
> antenna forests are on each of the highest buildings of every block.
When I read Stew's proposal to sink money into selling wireless toys, it made
me think just how far ahead the GSM world already is in terms of deployment
and maturity. Stew - save your money, or, better yet, invest it in one of the
real wireless companies.
The wireless telcos realize the money to be made, and they're happy to make it
one penny at a time.
Stew, have you read GSM 07.05 and 03.40 ? Considering your zeal for blurring
the lines between amateur radio and other radio services, I'm surprised you're
not
all over this.
Dana K6JQ
dana@source.net
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:56:58 -0700
From: "Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <Dana@Source.Net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
"J. Hoffa" wrote:
> Being a capitalist society, our government doesn't subsidize these
> sorts of things.
Non-sequitor. Our wireless carriers are happy to subsidize the phones
and sell the service rather cheaply. Here in Northern California, my GSM
service plan includes 500 peak minutes, 1000 off-peak, free roaming in
CA and NV, free domestic long-distance and 300 free SMS messages, for
about $60/month. Oh, can't forget voice mail, and bidirectional email-SMS
capability and caller-ID.
Especially on weekends, my POTS lines see few outgoing telephone calls.
There are family calling plans now that make family radios look silly for
anything but camping in the backwoods where there is no coverage.
Socialism has nothing to do with it - this is capitalism, hard and fast.
The fact is, even in Europe it's capitalism.
> We are trying hard, but we are not fully socialist yet.
> Under the Gore-Hillary administration, we should be able to pretty
> much fulfill the dream of all Democrats, to have a socialist nation
> much like the Netherlands and Great Britain.
Major non-sequitor.
Dana K6JQ
dana@source.net
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:16:06 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
In article <39DE1DD5.35DB4D16@Source.Net>,
"Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <Dana@Source.Net> wrote:
>
>
> Rob Janssen wrote:
>
> > Are these "walkie talkie" things still popular in the states?
Guys, you
> > are years behind! Over here in Europe all the schoolkids have a
handheld
> > phone (GSM) and are sending short text messages to eachother when
in places
> > where it is not clever to talk in the thing.
> >
> > No range limitation, you can chat to your buddy whenever both of
you are in
> > range of the mobile network. Which should be anytime, given the
fact that
> > antenna forests are on each of the highest buildings of every block.
Yes - the USA is years behind Europe and Japan in this area, and
is "stuck in the mud" trying to convert some frequency space(broadcast
TV channels 60-69), in order to "auction it off" to the highest bidders
to support the very services you and I speak of. But this could take
YEARS! And so we fall farther and farther behind the world in
technology! It is actually possible to do many of the mobile PDA
applications, using existing inexpensive ham technology, on ham freqs
right now - don't believe what you hear from the old "PBBS tight-
sphinctered naysayers".
> When I read Stew's proposal to sink money into selling wireless toys,
it made
> me think just how far ahead the GSM world already is in terms of
deployment
> and maturity. Stew - save your money, or, better yet, invest it in
one of the
> real wireless companies.
>
> The wireless telcos realize the money to be made, and they're happy
to make it
> one penny at a time.
>
> Stew, have you read GSM 07.05 and 03.40 ? Considering your zeal for
blurring
> the lines between amateur radio and other radio services, I'm
surprised you're not
> all over this.
Thanks for the info - I'll check it out next week. I work on my remote
Rosarito homesite on the weekends, and I only have a 1200bps packet
link set up down there so far. Eventually, I'll be able to go thru an
Internet Gateway at my place in San Diego.
> Dana K6JQ
> dana@source.net
--
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
Wireless Entertainment/Communication Devices(WECs), Networks, and
ublic Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
http://www.pubcel.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:02:30 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
In article <xY7D5.1915$pW4.75451@nnrp3.sbc.net>,
"Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> wrote:
>
> <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8riucf$tda$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > snip a lot of ignorant nastiness.
> >
>
> This guy has proved his point over and over again (that he's an
ignorant,
> characterless dud) but finds it necessary to prove it over and over
again.
> (sigh)
>
> We all get the point, bud; You're an ignorant idiot. Now troll off and
> infest some other newsgroup.
STANDARD DISCLAIMER: I do not directly respond to this guy anymore. He
is one of the old ham PBBS operators - "Gods in their own minds". He
is a complete waste of bandwidth, is always argumentative, and NEVER
adds any useful information to any conversation.
> --
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
--
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
Wireless Entertainment/Communication Devices(WECs), Networks, and
ublic Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
http://www.pubcel.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 03:06:57 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rltgj$825$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <39DE1DD5.35DB4D16@Source.Net>,
> "Dana H. Myers K6JQ" <Dana@Source.Net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rob Janssen wrote:
> >
> > > Are these "walkie talkie" things still popular in the states?
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