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Ham-Digital Digest Fri, 29 Sep 2000 Volume 2000 : Issue 266
Today's Topics:
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APRS Operating Question (5 msgs)
GPS + APRS Question. (2 msgs)
modifying phone modem for use on HF
radio link between 2 PCs (4 msgs)
WinAPRS and Precision Map (2 msgs)
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Date: 28 Sep 2000 16:22:08 GMT
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:31:34 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net>
Subject: APRS Operating Question
"Steve Sampson (K5OKC)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote in message
news:st5d3hj8r2s907@corp.supernews.com...
> "Bob Lewis" says:
> > > Might be some porn somewhere, I've never run across any in my 20+
> > > years "on the net".
> >
> > Man, you got your head in the sand! I get porn delivered right to my
> > e-mail complements of spam to my address picked up off amateur radio
> > news groups like this one.
>
> I think you need to re-check what news groups you have selected :-)
> I haven't had any porn sent to my email based on participation in this
> news group.
>
> I also don't use pre-view in my news or mail reader. If the title looks
> even a little bogus I just delete it. I find that subjects that are all
caps
> usually can be deleted outright. I also use a large filter table, so
certain
> people and subjects get automatic deletion. Stuff like "help me" or
> "MONEY" and "!!!" in the subject line get rid of about 50% of the crapola.
>
Thank you for proving my point, Steve. Unless you take special precautions
that not every Ham could (or would) employ, you get "crapola" from your
E-mail connection.
Hank is going pretty far to delude himself on this issue, but I can always
depend on you to show the LandLine Lid mindset with total clarity. You back
me up, every time, old pardner.
Thanks again.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
n5pvl@swbell.net
http://home.swbell.net/n5pvl/
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:55:43 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net>
Subject: APRS Operating Question
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:foxA5.6829$s76.458805@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> wrote in message
> news:mwwA5.1566$zG1.78440@nnrp3.sbc.net...
> >
> > "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us> wrote in message
> > news:u8zsdbd4f.fsf@harvee.billerica.ma.us...
> > > "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@swb.net> writes:
> > > > Is this how LandLine Lids such as yourself decide it's "OK" to
transmit
> > > > commercial content (and porno, etc) from the Internet over the Ham
> > bands?
> > >
> > > man, you are so obsessed with porn. If this is representative of the
> > > old school of packet, then I say, let it die.
> > >
> >
> > What you are actually seeing is related to Amateur Radio in a general
sense.
> > We don't conduct business on Ham Radio. No commercials, no "cashing in"
on
> > the air, and most certainly no indecency there.
> >
> > We all know what's on the Internet,
>
> You mean stock prices, literature, technical information, hobby sites,
> how-to sites, the Olympics, newspapers, magazines, Sesame Street,
> Ty (beanie babies), solar and ionospheric conditions, dictionaries (oh,
> wait, they *might* have some *bad* words in them), et al ad nauseum.
Yep, just about anything you can imagine is on the Internet, and more. My
point exactly.
>
> Might be some porn somewhere, I've never run across any in my 20+ years
> "on the net". Maybe that is because I don't go looking for it ...
..And you are utterly certain that nobody else would, either, just because
you don't.
I get unsolicited "porn" offers in my E-mail, and see them on the newsgroups
as well. I've seen them here. Wake up and smell the diharrea, Hank. Get
real.
>
> > and all Hams who have a clue about the
> > hobby know that 90% or more of what you find there is inappropriate for
the
> > Ham bands.
>
> Eh?
Banners, commercials, and so on, not to mention the unmentionable stuff. (As
if you didn't know)... The Ham bands are not an appropriate place for
commercialism (and commercials) . Sorry to hear that after all your years as
a Ham, you haven't figured that out yet.
>
> > Only a moronic LandLine Lid would have a problem understanding
> > that, and go on to promote the use of Amateur Radio for casual Internet
> > access.
>
> Total nonesense.
Yes, I agree that promoting the use of Ham Radio for casual Internet access
is total nonsense. You can get Internet access that is much less expensive,
and that performs much, much better *without* trashing out the Ham bands.
There is literally no point to it. Total nonsense, as you say.
>
> > I don't think Ham Radio is going to die, but I do see where the
"LandLine
> > Lid" mentality will not last long in the hobby. As more and more Hams
come
> > to understand the fact that LandLine Lids are willing to toss the
essential
> > decency of Ham Radio for the most trivial and self-serving of purposes,
> > being a "LandLine Lid" takes you further and further beyond the pale. -
> > Exactly where you belong.
>
> What any ham station transmits is the responsibility of it's control
operator,
> with the specific exception for cetain activies involving BBS systems.
> i.e. it is up to the individual ham to decide what his radio should
transmit.
Most (but obviously not ALL) Hams are restrained by consideration of such
concepts as common decency, and what's good for the hobby, not to mention
the PART97 regs concerning commercialism in connection with Amateur Radio.
Only a moronic LandLine Lid tries to find rationalizations for bypassing
those considerations for trivial, selfish purposes such as the "total
nonsense" idea of using Ham Radio for casual Internet access.
>
> > Get a CB radio, if you can't understand or abide common decency. Your
kind
> > has already had their way there. Go where you belong, with all your
"good
> > buddies". No rules! Go for it.
>
> One person's "common decency" is another person's "censorship".
Maybe YOU don't see a problem with porn on the Ham bands, but I think that
by expressing that opinion, you have put yourself beyond the pale. Ham Radio
should be safe for children, Hank. A place where they can go and EXPECT
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_266B
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