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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:46 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address 2
"Steve Sampson" <S.Sampson@radio-link.net> wrote in message
news:ssgdk59etfd57a@corp.supernews.com...
> I don't think Brian handles anything now eh?
>
> The object is to link radios. If you're never going to hook it to
> the Internet (Chuckles says this is Bad! ...bad, bad...) then who
> really gives a squat eh?
The objective is to build ham radio network.
Ham radio uses net 44. Perhaps you forgot that in your confusion
between your radios and your telephone.
> I think your BBS club is a proponent of non-wireline, so WTFO eh?
> Pick a number, get all your club members to use it, "be happy..." eh?
What BBS club?
> amprhosts is for Internet routing. If you are against that, then what's
> wrong with using 10, 192.168, 45, or even 24 eh?
amprhosts is for ham radio routing.
> Are you saying it is alright to hook Ham radio up to the Internet eh?
Are you confused again?
> > > Just replace the 44 with a 10. Works fine.
> >
> > For what?
> >
> > Does Brian handle net 10 now?
> > Is it in amprhosts?
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:36:28 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: TCP/IP Address 2
In article <ssgdk59etfd57a@corp.supernews.com>,
"Steve Sampson" <S.Sampson@radio-link.net> wrote:
> I don't think Brian handles anything now eh?
>
> The object is to link radios. If you're never going to hook it to
> the Internet (Chuckles says this is Bad! ...bad, bad...) then who
> really gives a squat eh?
Absolutely.
> I think your BBS club is a proponent of non-wireline, so WTFO eh?
> Pick a number, get all your club members to use it, "be happy..." eh?
>
> amprhosts is for Internet routing. If you are against that, then
what's
> wrong with using 10, 192.168, 45, or even 24 eh?
You are correct, sir.
> Are you saying it is alright to hook Ham radio up to the Internet eh?
Even then - there things like proxies, which allow you to use just one
address. Poor DSL/Cable Modem guys - having to provide gateways to
Radio Networks.
------- Stewart - N0MHS --------
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Public Radio Services Information(MURS,FRS,GMRS,ARS,CB):
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:03:03 GMT
From: marsgal42@hotmail.com
Subject: TCP/IP Address 2
In article <ssftmimt4ec8ff@corp.supernews.com>,
"Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
> "Hank Oredson" says:
> >
> > Many of the US coordinators are no longer active, do not reply
> > to requests or can no longer be found at all. This is the situation,
> > for example, in 44.26. What should one do in that case, other
> > than "bother Brian".
>
> Just replace the 44 with a 10. Works fine.
This isn't a bad suggestion, actually. Pick some network 10
addresses, set up your network, get it going (non-trivial!)
and then migrate to "proper" network 44 addresses when you
get them.
Lots of private networks use network 10.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:40:56 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address 2
<marsgal42@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8qau46$6ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <ssftmimt4ec8ff@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Steve Sampson \(K5OKC\)" <ssampson@nospam.radio-link.net> wrote:
> > "Hank Oredson" says:
> > >
> > > Many of the US coordinators are no longer active, do not reply
> > > to requests or can no longer be found at all. This is the situation,
> > > for example, in 44.26. What should one do in that case, other
> > > than "bother Brian".
> >
> > Just replace the 44 with a 10. Works fine.
The usual tcp/ip bigot's idea: if your hosts are not directly on
the internet, then they are not part of net 44. Total nonesense.
> This isn't a bad suggestion, actually. Pick some network 10
> addresses, set up your network, get it going (non-trivial!)
> and then migrate to "proper" network 44 addresses when you
> get them.
How do you do this migration if you cannot get a response from
the appropriate address coordinator? It is a totally useless suggestion.
You might better use an address in the appropriate subnet of net 44,
then you will be able to communicate with other hams running tcp/ip.
Perhaps they will be able to tell you what to do about that address
coordinator who is not doing his job.
> Lots of private networks use network 10.
The discussion was not about private networks, but about the
ham radio tcp/ip network aka net 44. Lot's of private networks
also use subnet 192.168. Has nothing to do with anything.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:20:28 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <S.Sampson@radio-link.net>
Subject: TCP/IP Address 2
> The usual tcp/ip bigot's idea: if your hosts are not directly on
> the internet, then they are not part of net 44. Total nonesense.
It wasn't mean't to be a political or religious suggestion, or even
one to encite self-oscillation in a BBS club. It was only mean't
to be a suggestion, that if you want to set up a radio IP network,
and your coordinator is dead, missing, or can't be bothered, that
you might pick some other number, and develop your interest.
> How do you do this migration if you cannot get a response from
> the appropriate address coordinator? It is a totally useless suggestion.
You are not going to find the address coordinator via your IP radio
station. You don't have an IP station until you find the coordinator.
Meanwhile, rather than wringing your hands on what to do, the most
obvious thing to do (after a lengthy missing-persons report on the
coordinator) is to just have fun.
> > Lots of private networks use network 10.
>
> The discussion was not about private networks, but about the
> ham radio tcp/ip network aka net 44. Lot's of private networks
> also use subnet 192.168. Has nothing to do with anything.
I don't want to relive ancient history, but go back to the day that
the class A resource was given, and ask yourself if your not
being just a little bit stupid in continuing to use it. A lot has
occurred in IP networking since those long days ago.
Steve/k5okc
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:37:50 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
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