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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 00 14:17:10 MET
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From: pa2aga@pe1mvx.ampr.org
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You'll suck a few in with this troll.
Just one question: did someone FORCE you to NOT learn CW?
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8lrhh3$34d$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Just passed my Extra examination, and I'm left with kind of a empty
> feeling. Even though I won't be using CW any time soon, I think it
> would have been better if I HAD had to pass a 10, 13, or even 15wpm
> test in addition to the written exam(forget 20wpm!).
>
> If there hadn't have been such ruthless opposition to the lowering of
> the requirements at some earlier date, to some reasonable numbers(say
> 5/10/15 N/G/E), I doubt if we would have seen this "rubber-band" effect
> of having 5wpm Extras.
>
> Oh well, now I can devote more time to my applications, like the towers
> I'm building, and the high-speed wireless Internet gateways I want to
> set up. I even decided to finally join the ARRL. I'll probably even
> buy a new ARRL handbook(my 1994 version is getting a bit old).
>
> For me, restructuring has been a pretty good thing. It got me back
> into the hobby(which I had distanced myself from back in 1995, when it
> appeared to me to be firmly stuck in the past). However, I think it
> just went a bit too far. The ARRL's recommendation of 13wpm(or was it
> 10 or 12?) for Extras was pretty much right on. It just came so late,
> that they had lost all credibility by then. What a shame.
>
> Stewart - N0MHS
> --
> Wireless High-Speed Networking Information:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio.html
> Public Radio Services Information:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio2.html
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:19:24 GMT
From: "George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net>
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
Stuart, I took the Extra exam in 1954. Had to copy 20 wpm for at least a
minute solid copy and send enough to convince the FCC Examiner that I
knew the code. Took the written, which at that time was composed of 50 of
the most often missed questions on the commercial license exam elements.
I passed all that and got one of the first 10 Extras issued in the Dallas
district.
So, I go into the FCC data base as "AE"
Now, you took your code and written tests and passed them.
You go into the FCC data base as "AE"
What's the difference and who cares!
Operate and have fun and use that extra theory study to learn even more
for the enhanced enjoyment of the hobby. Nothing says that you cannot
continue to practice and operate and build up your code speed.
I started as a ham at age 16 on 20 meter CW back when newcomers were not
cut very much slack. But, I got on there with all the big boys and their
Vibroplexes with my little straight key and had a ball. In three months I
was running 35 wpm with *my* bug!
Welcome!
72/73, George W5YR - the Yellow Rose of Texas
Fairview, TX 30 mi NE Dallas in Collin county QRP-L 1373
Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 54th year and it just keeps getting better!
R/C since 1964 - AMA 98452 RVing since 1972 Kachina #91900556
(12/99)
horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Just passed my Extra examination, and I'm left with kind of a empty
> feeling. Even though I won't be using CW any time soon, I think it
> would have been better if I HAD had to pass a 10, 13, or even 15wpm
> test in addition to the written exam(forget 20wpm!).
>
> If there hadn't have been such ruthless opposition to the lowering of
> the requirements at some earlier date, to some reasonable numbers(say
> 5/10/15 N/G/E), I doubt if we would have seen this "rubber-band" effect
> of having 5wpm Extras.
>
> Oh well, now I can devote more time to my applications, like the towers
> I'm building, and the high-speed wireless Internet gateways I want to
> set up. I even decided to finally join the ARRL. I'll probably even
> buy a new ARRL handbook(my 1994 version is getting a bit old).
>
> For me, restructuring has been a pretty good thing. It got me back
> into the hobby(which I had distanced myself from back in 1995, when it
> appeared to me to be firmly stuck in the past). However, I think it
> just went a bit too far. The ARRL's recommendation of 13wpm(or was it
> 10 or 12?) for Extras was pretty much right on. It just came so late,
> that they had lost all credibility by then. What a shame.
>
> Stewart - N0MHS
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:34:22 -0700
From: "R.L. Tannehill, P.E." <rickw7rt@firstinter.net>
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Just passed my Extra examination, and I'm left with kind of a empty
> feeling. Even though I won't be using CW any time soon, I think it
> would have been better if I HAD had to pass a 10, 13, or even 15wpm
> test in addition to the written exam(forget 20wpm!).
>
> If there hadn't have been such ruthless opposition to the lowering of
> the requirements at some earlier date, to some reasonable numbers(say
> 5/10/15 N/G/E), I doubt if we would have seen this "rubber-band" effect
> of having 5wpm Extras.
>
> Oh well, now I can devote more time to my applications, like the towers
> I'm building, and the high-speed wireless Internet gateways I want to
> set up. I even decided to finally join the ARRL. I'll probably even
> buy a new ARRL handbook(my 1994 version is getting a bit old).
>
> For me, restructuring has been a pretty good thing. It got me back
> into the hobby(which I had distanced myself from back in 1995, when it
> appeared to me to be firmly stuck in the past). However, I think it
> just went a bit too far. The ARRL's recommendation of 13wpm(or was it
> 10 or 12?) for Extras was pretty much right on. It just came so late,
> that they had lost all credibility by then. What a shame.
>
> Stewart - N0MHS
> --
> Wireless High-Speed Networking Information:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio.html
> Public Radio Services Information:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio2.html
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Stewart,
And having to pass a high-speed code test for your Extra would have made
you a more technical, competent, more capable ham by .......??? Don't
have a guilt complex. You passed the test and earned your Extra, just
as I and others did in the past when the written requirements were very
different. (100 questions, draw schematics, etc....) It's a different
era, and the test process is appropriate to this era. As you mention,
this change got you back into ham radio. That can only be a positive.
So, continue your learning now that you have an Extra....get involved
with digital modulation modes, satellites..etc. But don't let the "code
forever" OF's here on this NG make you feel like less of an Extra.
Besides, those old curmudgeons won't be around forever. :)
Rick Tannehill
W7RT
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:28:32 -0400
From: "Ed Hare, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.net>
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
R.L. Tannehill, P.E. <rickw7rt@firstinter.net> wrote:
> But don't let the "code forever" OF's here on this NG make you feel like
> less of an Extra. Besides, those old curmudgeons won't be around
> forever. :)
Hey, I'm a code-forever OF, but I believe in code forever for Ed Hare; what
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