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others do within Amateur Radio, as long as it it within the constraints of
Part 97, is fine by me. After all, if EVERYBODY showed up on 20 CW at the
same time, my little QRP rig would be lost in the din. I, for one,
appreciate the diversity within our ranks.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:25:24 -0400
From: "Ed Hare, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.net>
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
Den <dennis.spiess@reckitt.com> wrote:
> Ido hope to live long enough to hear the digital mode ops laughing at
> the obsolete SSB ops asking why they still use their mouths (HI).
Digital radio certainly DOES include voice modes, Dennis. I expect that
most hams will continue to choose voice modes as their primary ham
communication.
> Hey Stew, come on down to the lower 25 sometime... we'll be glad to
> 'talk' to you!
Careful, Dennis; it is perfectly legal, albeit not considered gentlemanly,
to transmit digital signals on the lower 25 as long as they are data and not
voice. Stew might give you exactly what you asked for.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:39:28 -0400
From: Dwight Stewart <stewartx@sccoast.net>
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Just passed my Extra examination, and I'm left with kind of a empty
> feeling. Even though I won't be using CW any time soon, I think it
> would have been better if I HAD had to pass a 10, 13, or even 15wpm
> test in addition to the written exam(forget 20wpm!).
Stewart, I'm going to take you at your word that you truly feel this
way. In my opinion, you're putting way too much emphasis on the test.
Its just an entrance test, not a measure of your skill or knowledge.
Its what you do after you pass the test, and get the license, that
really matters. Think about all the new possibilities, and privileges,
now available to you. Do something with those new privileges, and I'm
sure you'll feel a lot better.
Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
http://www.qsl.net/w5net
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:53:34 GMT
From: "Jerry Farrar" <kb5oai@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
You have a good attitude George.
73,
Jerry
"George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net> wrote in message
news:3981B288.B8E21B82@att.net...
> Stuart, I took the Extra exam in 1954. Had to copy 20 wpm for at least a
> minute solid copy and send enough to convince the FCC Examiner that I
> knew the code. Took the written, which at that time was composed of 50 of
> the most often missed questions on the commercial license exam elements.
> I passed all that and got one of the first 10 Extras issued in the Dallas
> district.
>
> So, I go into the FCC data base as "AE"
>
> Now, you took your code and written tests and passed them.
>
> You go into the FCC data base as "AE"
>
> What's the difference and who cares!
>
> Operate and have fun and use that extra theory study to learn even more
> for the enhanced enjoyment of the hobby. Nothing says that you cannot
> continue to practice and operate and build up your code speed.
>
> I started as a ham at age 16 on 20 meter CW back when newcomers were not
> cut very much slack. But, I got on there with all the big boys and their
> Vibroplexes with my little straight key and had a ball. In three months I
> was running 35 wpm with *my* bug!
>
> Welcome!
>
> 72/73, George W5YR - the Yellow Rose of Texas
> Fairview, TX 30 mi NE Dallas in Collin county QRP-L 1373
> Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 54th year and it just keeps getting better!
> R/C since 1964 - AMA 98452 RVing since 1972 Kachina #91900556
> (12/99)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:16:20 GMT
From: 2w8ji@contesting.com (Tom W8JI)
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:34:22 -0700, "R.L. Tannehill, P.E."
<rickw7rt@firstinter.net> wrote:
>different. (100 questions, draw schematics, etc....) It's a different
>era, and the test process is appropriate to this era.
That's true. All testing is "dumbing down" as it is called. In schools
and in professional exams, so I suppose there is no reason amateur
radio should be exempt from the social change.
>As you mention,
>this change got you back into ham radio. That can only be a positive.
>So, continue your learning now that you have an Extra....get involved
>with digital modulation modes, satellites..etc. But don't let the "code
>forever" OF's here on this NG make you feel like less of an Extra.
>Besides, those old curmudgeons won't be around forever. :)
Actually the thing most people seem to dislike is the fact the
technical tests are getting easier along with the code. If the people
who had the FCC's ear were really interested in amateur radio, they
would have made an entry level license available for digital modes or
general voice and restricted CW on HF, like a low-code tech exam with
expanded privleges and a bit less theory.
Instead, the motive was to sell radios and other goods. That meant an
automatic upgrade was the best means to the end goal.
What I dislike about the restructing is they actually made getting
into the hobby no better....they actually made it worse. The main
function seems to be lowering the bar for all classes of license, and
lowering it the most for the highest classes.
I understand that from Kenwood's view. They are teetering on the edge,
and wanted to sell radios to stay in business. They tried to sell
radios at truckstops, but the hams stopped that so they needed another
way to spur sales.
It makes sense for W5YI, because he has long been for a
communicator-type of license. He also makes his money when people test
and study.
The problem is it doesn't make sense for our hobby, because we made
getting in no better...or actually worse. In the United States, the
number one priority is making all people equal...regardless or effort
or ability.
73 Tom
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:42:59 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
In article <u0gg5.1306$ZL5.67775@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> You'll suck a few in with this troll.
> Just one question: did someone FORCE you to NOT learn CW?
Oh come on now, Hank. I actually do know CW to a reasonable extent
(~10wpm).
> ... Hank
Stewart - N0MHS
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:48:55 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: It's kind of a shame...
In article <3981B288.B8E21B82@att.net>,
"George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net> wrote:
> Now, you took your code and written tests and passed them.
>
> You go into the FCC data base as "AE"
>
> What's the difference and who cares!
>
> Operate and have fun and use that extra theory study to learn even
more
> for the enhanced enjoyment of the hobby. Nothing says that you cannot
> continue to practice and operate and build up your code speed.
>
> I started as a ham at age 16 on 20 meter CW back when newcomers were
not
> cut very much slack. But, I got on there with all the big boys and
their
> Vibroplexes with my little straight key and had a ball. In three
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