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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 00 01:30:39 MET
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> Scaling down to NBFM bandwidths, this would be 1-2 mW levels at NBFM
> bandwidths, so we are talking about line of sight paths, right ?
Yes. Microwave high gain antenna, line of sight.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:00:23 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
> Well Steve, I am able to understand the difference between amateur
> radio and commecial radio. Some folks who post here seem unable
> to comprehend that simple differentiation.
I think what you're trying to say, is that there is some value of purity in
transporting data via Ham radio only.
This purity seems to be the cornerstone of your presence here in the
newsgroup.
Since there is no off the shelf spread spectrum from any Ham dealer,
Hams therefore, must design their own, or use an wideband analog
method to get the same data rate.
I don't think there is much value in purity for purities sake. That's
the simple difference.
You're not going to convince me that a low data rate Ham product is
going to satisfy me, when I'm using a high data rate product, and purity
wasn't one of my goals.
Purity arguments to me, fall into the same can where I throw Morse
code testing used to filter out people who would enjoy radio otherwise.
I can not be converted to a "purity uber alles" motivation, so I don't
understand why you keep trying. There is no argument for purity that
doesn't sound a little like the "Jewish Solution." About the only way
you are going to succeed, is if you start building ovens.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:10:54 -0500
From: Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Wow - so much anger and bad will between people here. To quote the great
Rodney
King “Why can’t we all just get alongö?
“Forget HF & CW - Think Digitalö
As I see it, this is not a discussion about communication technology past and
future. The underlying debate is the chasm which is growing between two
factions of people, the Ham Radio Operators and the Internet Users. I guess I
should give a partial definition of what I think these two groups are.
The Ham Radio Operator - is interested in the art and practice of
communicating
over a radio. Often, the content of what is transported is of secondary
importance to the fact that he/she is skillfully operating a radio.
The Internet User - is interested in transporting his/her thoughts and
creations (AKA Data) from point A to point B via the fastest most reliable
means. The primary focus of their passion is the “Dataö itself. The medium by
which it gets from point A to Point B is irrelevant.
So what we have are apples and oranges. The digital technology tsunami is here
today and will not stop growing. This is great news for the Internet user who
is interested in pushing his Data somewhere. It is also great news for the Ham
Radio operator who will reap benefits yet undefined. Advances in digital
technology will find their way into the radios and accessories used by Hams.
So technology is not a threat and yet people are up in arms. Here’s my guess
as
to why.
Most Ham Radio Operators do not find any conflict trying to decide whether
they
are either an Internet User or a Ham Radio Operator because they understand
that they can be both. They also understand that both are entirely separate
states of being. If there were a news group such as “rec.internet.surfingö (I
don’t know if there is and I don’t care), I doubt you would find any Ham Radio
Operators flaming away about Ham radio operating being the same as Internet
surfing. A large factor in this is the fact that there are no constraints to
getting onto the Internet. The Internet does not require any demonstrated
skill
on the part of the user and it is immune to the adverse affects from unskilled
users. It is idiot proof and therefore can be offered to idiots.
The Internet User who chooses to acquire the legal paperwork to call himself a
Ham Radio Operator (easier now than at any time) is destined for conflict. He
views the radio as a small sub-component in the network required to transport
his Data. Remember that the transport medium is irrelevant to the Internet
User. The idea that he should be required to jump through any hoops just to
attach this radio component to his digital system is annoying. He finds
himself
surrounded by a group of walking, talking dinosaur fossils (people who
identify
themselves as Hams) that seem to have some silly attachment to this one piece
of hardware (the radio). How silly, when it is common knowledge that hardware
becomes obsolete in a matter of months. And still this Internet User has gone
the extra mile, jumped through the hoops and has acquired the legal paperwork
to call himself a Ham, and damn it! That makes him a Ham too! Still the
dinosaurs are not accepting him as an equal!
The rub arises because the Internet User sees Radio in a supporting role to
his
Digital interests. Ham Radio Operator sees computers and digital
communications
in a supporting role to his Radio interests. The fact that hams are using the
Internet to read and post messages to this news group means that they have had
some exposure to the “Internet Usersö experience. It is possible that many
Internet Users who acquire Ham licenses have never had a “Ham Radioö
experience
and therefore do not understand what the fuss is about.
Ham Radio Operators do not “Useö a radio, they “Operateö it. The operation of
the radio is an art form that takes skill, practice and perseverance. The
diversity of Ham operating activities is much wider than counting the number
of
modes available to him. Often, the most fulfilling activities utilize the
oldest modes of communication. It is the pursuit of the “artö of radio
operating that attracts and keeps Hams. All Hams know that technology does not
“makeö the operator. In competitions, there is no doubt that a skilled Ham at
the controls of an obsolete second-rate radio can beat the pants off an
unskilled operator armed with the latest radio gizmo.
An analogy may be made between Radio Operating and Sailing. The use of
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