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>devices, we should be able to get some of the bright, young people to take
>interest in the hobby - but NOT if we continue to over-emphasize HF and CW.
>
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Date: 07 Jul 2000 18:00:16 GMT
From: mogens9181@aol.com (Mogens9181)
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Why do honest differences of opinion arouse such anger and vituperation in
otherwise sane people? It seems to me that there is room for everyone in our
hobby. If you choose to develop VHF to its fullest then fine. If you wish to
do the same with HF then that's fine too.
COOL IT, GUYS
73,
C. Jespersen K2OG
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 04:24:07 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Hank:
Hey, how are you OM, about time you said something on this subject.
No one on these threads seems to be able to agree on a definition of
"digital"!
Maybe you can help.
Some of the commentary on these threads reminds me of apocrophal story about
the joint IEEE Section/ACM Section meeting a few years back when an angry EE
was heard to say, "we never needed slide rule engineers, why the hxxx do we
need computer engineers?"
Hank, you are a well respected expert" in the field of digital
communications over radio, with a long history of many contributions to
digital radio, especially in the bbs field. I for one have made good use
and had a lot of fun using your software and applications with my radios.
You are authoratative because you make real contributions to our grand
hobby. Now...
Hank...
What is your definition of "digital" communications?
Does it include communications without computers? i.e. How about folks who
run FSK RTTY using Teletype Model 28's? Is that "digital"? What if one
uses a computer but only running a terminal emulation program? Was it
digital back when everyone on RTTY did it using Teletype Model 15s?
etc...etc...
Is it digital if one uses hunt and peck one finger typing on the "green
keys"?
What if they used full ten finger touch typing?
What if they used a Teletype Model 40?
What if they sent Morse by hand into a Morse reader application that "piped"
its' I/O stream to a terminal emulator attached to a terminal unit and and
HF transceiver, would that be "digital"?
Opinions, thoughts?
Peter [CW is a digital exercise program!] K1PO
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:1s895.9122$cR2.684855@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8iuf8d$35p$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <3953890f.2477388@news1.wolfenet.com>,
> > henry@wolfenet.com (Henry Knouse) wrote:
> > > "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"Forget HF", I am avidly involved in broadband local communications
> > myself.
> > > >You???
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sadly DX is almost impossible without HF. I have contacted over 19
> > > countries all over the world via CW on HF in the last two weeks.
> > > That would be some feat for the 2 meter up crowd.
> > >
> >
> > You don't get it, do you? All you have to do is connect to the dude
> > with a DSL gateway down the street, and you can talk "all over the
> > world" - even on 2 meters.
>
> I think you mean that you can connect to your local gateway
> on two meters. The "all over the world" part has nothing at all
> to do with radio. If you want to talk all over the world, grab
> your mike and get on 10/15/20 meters. There you actually
> CAN talk all over the world ... using ham radio.
>
>
> > Stewart - N0MHS
> > --
> > Wireless High-Speed Networking Information:
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio.html
> > Public Radio Services Information:
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio2.html
>
>
> --
>
> ... Hank
>
> http://horedson.home.att.net
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 03:37:42 -0700
From: Will <wcwhite@mindspring.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Except the Internet is not radio, and it is not a radio. After all this
time, radio is special and "magical" because, look 'ma, no wires! That
my signal travels from my antenna to that of another ham on the other
side of the world using nothing made by man still amazes me. And in
order to make efficient and reliable use of radio, one has to learn
about and monitor weather--both the terrestrial and solar varieties. It
isn't the same as the internet at all, and can't be. For all the touted
reliability and ease of internet communications, it doesnt take the
place of radio as a science and hobby. It takes the place of the
telephone, actually. The internet is wonderful, but it doesnt replace
radio--the mistake is that the sole, or even primary goal of ham
communications is to talk at will to a specific other person without
fading and noise. We are at the "mercy" of the sun and the
ionosphere--and glad of it!
de WIll KD7BFX
horseshoe7 wrote:
>
> It doesn't seem to bother you that the sounds of your voice go
> thru the radio using electrical signals. Why should it bother
> me how the signals from my 2m RADIO gateway link get to the
> other guy... using ham radio? You just have to look at the
> Internet as one big radio.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:35:13 +0100
From: Ian Wade <Ian.Wade@care4free.net>
Subject: Laser comms: Calling Kerry Banke, N6IZW, and Chuck Houghton, WB6IGP
Calling Kerry Banke, N6IZW, and Chuck Houghton, WB6IGP. Having just seen
this piece in this week's ARRL Newsletter, please tell us more about how you
built it and made it work:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CALIFORNIA GROUP ADDS LASER MODE TO FIELD DAY REPERTOIRE
Participants at the Palomar Amateur Radio Club ARRL Field Day site in Valley
Center, California, this year completed a two-way voice contact via laser
beam. In typical ham radio tradition, communicating over the nearly 13-mile
path on a beam of light involved minimal cost and readily-available parts.
"The first step in establishing a laser QSO is determining that a clear
optical path exists," says Bob Gonsett, W6VR, one of those involved in the
experiment. Stan Rohrer, W9FQN, at the PARC Field Day site simply
"transmitted" a mirror flash to Gonsett, who was on Boucher Hill at Palomar
Mountain.
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