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needs, while Amateur regulations reflect traditions
first, and needs second.
On the other hand, some pilots learn to fly really old
and very much obsolete airplanes - 'cause they're having
fun with 'em...
> > If your interests are in high speed data transfer, then
> > Morse is not for you.
>
> EXACTLY my point - so why the over-emphasis on this dead
> mode.
Don't you see that EVERYTHING that HAM radio has today
(and is likely to have in the near future) is dead from
the practical/high-data-rate point of view?
Or are you planning to deploy 1+Gbps wireless...? If so,
you might successfully compete with Internet-2 (:-).
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Regards,
Uri
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:36:56 -0700
From: horseshoe7 <horseshoe7NOhoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Uri Blumenthal <uri@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> > If your interests are in high speed data transfer, then
>> > Morse is not for you.
>>
>> EXACTLY my point - so why the over-emphasis on this dead
>> mode.
>
>Don't you see that EVERYTHING that HAM radio has today
>(and is likely to have in the near future) is dead from
>the practical/high-data-rate point of view?
>
>Or are you planning to deploy 1+Gbps wireless...?
Just about!
>If so, you might successfully compete with Internet-2 (:-).
That would be foolish. Instead we should use the Internet as a
backbone, and use Linux boxes as gateways, see my page at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/2254/radio.html
>Regards,
>Uri
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:13:22 GMT
From: marsgal42@hotmail.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <8iqvmm$v5q$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,
"Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> More foolishness. CW is digital, and a very good digital
> mode at that!...
While CW is indeed an on-off code, when people talk about
digital modes they don't generally mean CW. Except in ARRL
publications.
CW works because it is fundamental. Which is all it needs
to be. If it works for you, use it. If it doesn't, don't.
I find it kind of fun - it reminds me of Aimee listening
intently in her headphones, terrified the detector vans
are going to find her before her sked with London is
finished (yes, they just reran that show here...an oldie,
but a goodie).
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:46:45 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Laura:
Hello, nice to meet you here. Sorry to see that a progressive young lady
like you is also misguided!
I think the other participants here on this thread do not have a valid
point. They say forget "HF and CW", but what they really mean is to forget
HF. This has nothing to do with CW. They are merely trolling for OT's to
tease and annoy!
Incidently I agree with that lesser statement.
"Forget HF", I am avidly involved in broadband local communications myself.
You???
There are is well excess of 1GHz of valuable spectrum set aside [mostly on a
secondary basis] for amateurs to use from 144MHz to 10GHz.
I listed these frequencies, band by band, and totaled the spectrum, in a
recent posting to this NG. Check out deja-news for the archive of my
postings. Ask Charles Brabham here on this NG...
That whole Broadband spectrum could well be put to use and re-used and
re-used geographically by us amateurs for interesting and compelling
broadband communications. Why not? What are you doing to help? Just
torlling for OT's on a NG. Heck, get busy do something useful!
I'd like to know who among our ranks is doing something about filling up
that spectrum? Possesion is 9/10 th of the law as they say. Use it or lose
it! Certainly not the folks who hang around here trashing CW and baiting
OTs.
BTW if we don't fill up that spectrum with something [I prefer free local
broadband Internet access for amateurs] the governments around the world
will sell it out from under us.
Get moving, gal!! To hell with HF get onto UHF, and uWave's with compelling
broadband projects.
And.... leave poor old CW alone, it is the most efficient and one of the
most modern digital modes in use on that narrow old useless HF spectrum.
CW or some simple derivative could easily be run at GBps rates for local
computer communications on the uWave bands and help to fill them up.
Y'all's comments on CW show that you know almost nothing about "digital"!
CW is digital and it embodies most of the modern concepts of source coding
and channel coding into its ancient methods. Jeesh!! You guys probably
don't even know the difference between source and channel coding! Digital
people, har, har... wake up and do something!!
If any of you did know about digital maybe you could do something with the
UHF,SHF, uWave frequencies, but y'all don't, so there!
Thoughts, comments...
Peter K1PO
<marsgal42@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8irlml$17t$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8iqvmm$v5q$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > More foolishness. CW is digital, and a very good digital
> > mode at that!...
>
> While CW is indeed an on-off code, when people talk about
> digital modes they don't generally mean CW. Except in ARRL
> publications.
>
> CW works because it is fundamental. Which is all it needs
> to be. If it works for you, use it. If it doesn't, don't.
>
> I find it kind of fun - it reminds me of Aimee listening
> intently in her headphones, terrified the detector vans
> are going to find her before her sked with London is
> finished (yes, they just reran that show here...an oldie,
> but a goodie).
>
> Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
> Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:37:30 -0500
From: CAM <W6RCA@mindspring.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
marsgal42@hotmail.com wrote:
> While CW is indeed an on-off code, when people talk about
> digital modes they don't generally mean CW.
111010111010001011101110000000101000101010000000
111010100010100011101110100010100011100010111000101110101
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:57:18 GMT
From: konstans@oneleven.net (Mark Morgan)
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:57:28 -0400, Uri Blumenthal <uri@attglobal.net>
wrote:
>Because Aviation regulations are dictated by practical
>needs, while Amateur regulations reflect traditions
>first, and needs second.
Which is precisely the problem with those rules
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:53:56 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Thread:
See Cecil knows what a comma free code is, don't you Cec?
Peter K1PO
"CAM" <W6RCA@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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