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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:27:13 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Pat McKeeby" <n0zo@lcia.com> wrote in message
news:394b3d60.1802819@news.lcia.com...
> Hank, you ever hear of progress?
You guys are a giggle. Can always get this knee-jerk response out
of one or another of you. Hams using the telephone when they can't
manage communication via radio is not "progress", it should just
be called "failure". So I call it that.
> All this mumbling and grumbling
> won't do a thing for you except give you ulcers. I'll bet your ate up
> with them. I ran two systems for years, WinFBB and WinLink, each
> having it's own purpose. WinFBB served the local community, and yep,
> I had internet connects. Wanna know what killed packet Hank? BBS's
> swapping traffic for hours on end, and the poor user could never get
> his traffic off his BBS because it was always BUSY forwrading
> bulletins. I'd much rather have fresh bulletins on the system than
> wait hours and hours to get it off HF or VHF and users accessing the
> system and NOT having problems. I wonder what the ratio of hams that
> have internet access vrs those that don't? People have moved to the
> internet where they can get what they want, when they want it and from
> whomever they want it from in a timely fashion. And the reliability
> is better than packet could ever hope to be. As for WinLink (and now
> WL2K) it serves another purpose. /MM's and RV'ers and also P and NTS
> type traffic. Give over. Quit kicking a dead horse. Admit your
> living in the past, and your glory days are over. Now all you seem to
> be able to to is mumble and grumble. So what if WL2K and WinLink have
> an internet interface? It works, and works well, I might add. So
> WL2K must use a FBB type client such as AirMail? Your a programmer.
> Come up with something better that what's available now without using
> the internet. Maybe you'll get some converts. I suggest you read the
> information found on the internet as to what WL2K really does, Hank.
Why should I do that?
The networks are gone bubba ... they were killed off.
Got better things to do.
I HAVE read the WinLink information, and HAVE run the program.
But I do not agree that it is "progress" or "new technology".
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:33:11 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Hank Oredson" wrote
>
> The networks are gone bubba ... they were killed off.
> Got better things to do.
Humorously:
I tried my list of Phone BBS systems. Damn things are all
gone now. I think the Internet has ruined the Phone BBS
programs as well. What happened to all those great Node
BBS systems? Wow, I can't believe no one wants to put
more of the Phone and Radio BBS systems up. This Internet
thing is only a flash in the pan. What will happen when the
Internet systems all go away?
Seriously:
People who try to network (or just link BBS) narrow-band
radios for textual and graphic information flow in the 21st
Century, are completely brain-dead as far as I'm concerned.
People who use narrow-band radios to communicate with
human operators is the only logical arm of the hobby to
survive. I know of no one who uses a BBS for anything
anymore. Even our office Bulletin Board is outdated, as
what we need is on the main Web page. I just checked,
it has a 1994 Energy Conservation Poster on it.
Part-15 (wide-band networking) is the only way to go now.
Part-97 (wide-band networking) is legally restrictive and
the deadest part of the hobby.
Steve/k5okc
"We all got better things to do"
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:06:22 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:skna42fpis413@corp.supernews.com...
> "Hank Oredson" wrote
> >
> > The networks are gone bubba ... they were killed off.
> > Got better things to do.
>
> Humorously:
>
> I tried my list of Phone BBS systems. Damn things are all
> gone now. I think the Internet has ruined the Phone BBS
> programs as well. What happened to all those great Node
> BBS systems? Wow, I can't believe no one wants to put
> more of the Phone and Radio BBS systems up. This Internet
> thing is only a flash in the pan. What will happen when the
> Internet systems all go away?
Hmmm ... I find several the ones I've used still there.
Silly of them not to move forward to better protocols, using
the same medium (the telephone).
You still miss the point: this is not about internet protocols
vs. other protocols. I run internet protocols over ham radio.
It is about avoiding the use of radio by pretending that running
ham radio traffic over the internet is somehow "doing ham radio".
> Seriously:
>
> People who try to network (or just link BBS) narrow-band
> radios for textual and graphic information flow in the 21st
> Century, are completely brain-dead as far as I'm concerned.
Of course. Just shut down any ham radio activity you don't like.
> People who use narrow-band radios to communicate with
> human operators is the only logical arm of the hobby to
> survive. I know of no one who uses a BBS for anything
> anymore. Even our office Bulletin Board is outdated, as
> what we need is on the main Web page. I just checked,
> it has a 1994 Energy Conservation Poster on it.
Funny, some of us like to do things you don't like to do.
For example, long haul data transfer on HF.
> Part-15 (wide-band networking) is the only way to go now.
> Part-97 (wide-band networking) is legally restrictive and
> the deadest part of the hobby.
This is certainly true, but has nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
the topic of this newsgroup. Perhaps you should stop posting
here (in this Ham Radio newsgroup) and instead post some
other newsgroup, devoted to Part-15 devices.
Can I retain my link with WB1DSW (Oregon to New Hampshire)
using Part-15 devices?
> Steve/k5okc
> "We all got better things to do"
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:00:38 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Hank Oredson" wrote
> You still miss the point: this is not about internet protocols
> vs. other protocols. I run internet protocols over ham radio.
> It is about avoiding the use of radio by pretending that running
> ham radio traffic over the internet is somehow "doing ham radio".
You confuse the argument. The argument is about connecting
anything to a radio other than another radio. You would have us
believe that people who don't use radio as an interface are corrupt
and "not real hams" (whatever that means).
People on the other side of the aisle propose that connecting
anything to a radio is not only technically sound, but the most
efficient way to add value.
When people connect a telephone to a repeater, they do so to
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_169H
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