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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 00 17:50:54 MET
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expand the versatility of the radio. Same with a modem or
internet connection. To restrict people to only using a radio,
and no other interface device, is completely juvenile in my book.
>This is certainly true, but has nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
>the topic of this newsgroup. Perhaps you should stop posting
>here (in this Ham Radio newsgroup) and instead post some
>other newsgroup, devoted to Part-15 devices.
Hey, you keep talking about telephones, I could ask you to leave
as well. But that would be juvenile as well.
>Can I retain my link with WB1DSW (Oregon to New Hampshire)
>using Part-15 devices?
The real question is: what *value* do you add to the Amateur Radio
Service and the hobby, by maintaining said link? What value would
you add if you removed the self-imposed restriction on interfaces
to the radio? Could we get the out-of-band radio mods or WW
info from Brazil and Portugal, or all the sales info another way?
Steve/k5okc
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:45:39 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:sko0qh9dis4115@corp.supernews.com...
> "Hank Oredson" wrote
>
> > You still miss the point: this is not about internet protocols
> > vs. other protocols. I run internet protocols over ham radio.
> > It is about avoiding the use of radio by pretending that running
> > ham radio traffic over the internet is somehow "doing ham radio".
>
> You confuse the argument. The argument is about connecting
> anything to a radio other than another radio. You would have us
> believe that people who don't use radio as an interface are corrupt
> and "not real hams" (whatever that means).
I've not said that. If you think I have, quote it.
> People on the other side of the aisle propose that connecting
> anything to a radio is not only technically sound, but the most
> efficient way to add value.
That is not what they propose, or do.
They move traffic using the telephone INSTEAD of using radio,
not IN ADDITION to using radio.
> When people connect a telephone to a repeater, they do so to
> expand the versatility of the radio. Same with a modem or
> internet connection. To restrict people to only using a radio,
> and no other interface device, is completely juvenile in my book.
Straw man.
We are talking about people who TAKE THE REPEATER OFF AIR,
because "You can do this better on the internet, and it won't tie up
a valuable frequency pair which MIGHT be used for low speed CW
EME communications."
> >This is certainly true, but has nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
> >the topic of this newsgroup. Perhaps you should stop posting
> >here (in this Ham Radio newsgroup) and instead post some
> >other newsgroup, devoted to Part-15 devices.
>
> Hey, you keep talking about telephones, I could ask you to leave
> as well. But that would be juvenile as well.
You are confused. I talk about radios, and implore hams to use
them instead of relying on the internet for their communications.
> >Can I retain my link with WB1DSW (Oregon to New Hampshire)
> >using Part-15 devices?
>
> The real question is: what *value* do you add to the Amateur Radio
> Service and the hobby, by maintaining said link?
Earth to Steve: Emergency communications capability.
That is one of the values provided by Amateur Radio.
> What value would you add if you removed the self-imposed
> restriction on interfaces to the radio?
1. My radios are ALL connected to the internet.
2. The point was using the internet INSTEAD of radios.
3. You are very very confused about the issues.
> Could we get the out-of-band radio mods or WW
> info from Brazil and Portugal, or all the sales info another way?
> Steve/k5okc
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:10:37 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
> Earth to Steve: Emergency communications capability.
> That is one of the values provided by Amateur Radio.
Then why do we need FEMA?
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:29:30 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Hank Oredson" wrote
>
> > People on the other side of the aisle propose that connecting
> > anything to a radio is not only technically sound, but the most
> > efficient way to add value.
>
> That is not what they propose, or do.
> They move traffic using the telephone INSTEAD of using radio,
> not IN ADDITION to using radio.
I don't see a problem either way. Too each his own. Radio is
Radio, whether it is an end-point or a trunk. Hams seem to enjoy
radio regardless.
I hazard a guess that Ham radio didn't lose one radio relay that
wouldn't have gone away for many other reasons than just being
displaced by non-radio circuits. I've seen at least 10 BBS's come
and go just because the trustee got bored.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 03:23:31 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:sko616biis46@corp.supernews.com...
> "Hank Oredson" wrote
> >
> > > People on the other side of the aisle propose that connecting
> > > anything to a radio is not only technically sound, but the most
> > > efficient way to add value.
> >
> > That is not what they propose, or do.
> > They move traffic using the telephone INSTEAD of using radio,
> > not IN ADDITION to using radio.
>
> I don't see a problem either way. Too each his own. Radio is
> Radio, whether it is an end-point or a trunk. Hams seem to enjoy
> radio regardless.
Yes, it is quite clear you do not see the problem.
Those hams who force the forwarding traffic to go over the internet
deny me the ability to use radio to pass that traffic.
If you do not understand this then you do not understand
the basic operation of the forwarding network.
> I hazard a guess that Ham radio didn't lose one radio relay that
> wouldn't have gone away for many other reasons than just being
> displaced by non-radio circuits. I've seen at least 10 BBS's come
> and go just because the trustee got bored.
Har!
You are a real giggle!
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:29:43 +0300
From: Paul Keinanen <keinanen@sci.fi>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:45:39 GMT, "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
wrote:
>> >Can I retain my link with WB1DSW (Oregon to New Hampshire)
>> >using Part-15 devices?
>>
>> The real question is: what *value* do you add to the Amateur Radio
>> Service and the hobby, by maintaining said link?
>
>Earth to Steve: Emergency communications capability.
>That is one of the values provided by Amateur Radio.
I still do not understand the value of that coast to coast link.
Does the mid-West often get hit by a full scale nuclear war or hit by
a huge meteorite miraculously saving all the forwarding stations,
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_169I
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