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but
> I can't seem to find any. Of course, I wouldn't know exactly what I'm
> looking for, as I'm 16 and missed out on the really old computers.
>
> --
> Warren Wu
> KC0HAK
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:00:32 -0400
From: Uri Blumenthal <uri@attglobal.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
Hank Oredson wrote:
> ......................
> The same folks who built a "network" by putting all the nodes
> on one frequency ... and then complain when anyone tries to
> use them because using them causes "congestion".
>
> There was a similar "network" in Eastern Oregon/Washington.
> At one time there were 27 or 28 nodes, all on the same frequency!
> I think they are mostly gone now.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<chuckling> I start believing in natural selection process! (:-)
--
Regards,
Uri
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<Disclaimer>
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:05:18 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
Great reply! I would have thought Motorola was hiring more
intelligent engineers.
The fact that TCP/IP was conducted at 1200 baud is the only reason
these people find fault with the data. If it was at 100 Mbps they would
argue just the opposite. "Hey, you rude ignorant bastard, you can't
run AX.25 BBS protocol on 100 Mbps Ethernet!!"
But really, at that speed nobody gives a shit. Only at 1200 baud do
we have people pissing all over themselves, waving their arms about,
and frothing obscenities.
Oh well, I'll use my Part-15 stuff...
Steve/k5okc
"Rob Janssen" wrote
> JoAnne Maenpaa <QA1955@email.mot.com> wrote:
> >Charles wrote:
>
> >> Yes, It's true that the US amateur tcpip community have been idiots,
> >> alienating Hams on a large scale basis with their rude, ignorant
> >> behavior.
>
> >This is main reason why I'm not on TCP/IP any more. And an amusing
> >thing is they are arrogant about a technology that runs just about
> >as slowly as the format a: command did on my original 4.77 MHz IBM PC.
>
> You may be surprised that the entire Internet as you know it today uses
> those same protocols. In fact, the amateurs that introduced TCP/IP to
> packet radio did so at a time most people did not know what the Internet
> was or would be.
>
> It is not TCP/IP technogogy that is slow, it is the modem technology used
> by hams that is making it appear slow. Most packet users today still use
> the 1200 bps AFSK modem that was chosen more than 15 years ago as a quick
> way to get things running. Even the fact that the modem chips were
> discontinued by the manufacturers one by one has not awakened them.
>
> Rob
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 03:37:04 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:sjbh8kc5pj181@corp.supernews.com...
> Great reply! I would have thought Motorola was hiring more
> intelligent engineers.
>
> The fact that TCP/IP was conducted at 1200 baud is the only reason
> these people find fault with the data. If it was at 100 Mbps they would
> argue just the opposite. "Hey, you rude ignorant bastard, you can't
> run AX.25 BBS protocol on 100 Mbps Ethernet!!"
You can too! You can too! Har har har!
I'm doing it right here on my 100-base-T house network.
Nyah nyah!
(Oh, sorry, got carried away there ...)
--
... Hank - w0rli
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 03:34:59 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
"Uri Blumenthal" <uri@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3935C3C0.456EF6D@attglobal.net...
> Hank Oredson wrote:
> > ......................
> > The same folks who built a "network" by putting all the nodes
> > on one frequency ... and then complain when anyone tries to
> > use them because using them causes "congestion".
> >
> > There was a similar "network" in Eastern Oregon/Washington.
> > At one time there were 27 or 28 nodes, all on the same frequency!
> > I think they are mostly gone now.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> <chuckling> I start believing in natural selection process! (:-)
Darwin was right ...
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:57:51 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: N0ZO no longer supports Keyboard inputs!
Rob Janssen wrote in message ...
>
>You may be surprised that the entire Internet as you know it today uses
>those same protocols. In fact, the amateurs that introduced TCP/IP to
>packet radio did so at a time most people did not know what the Internet
>was or would be.
>
>It is not TCP/IP technogogy that is slow, it is the modem technology used
>by hams that is making it appear slow. Most packet users today still use
>the 1200 bps AFSK modem that was chosen more than 15 years ago as a quick
>way to get things running. Even the fact that the modem chips were
>discontinued by the manufacturers one by one has not awakened them.
>
For Internet use over the landline, a "usably fast" modem can be found
almost anywhere for around 100 bucks or so. Very often bargains can be had
to cut this expense in half, but these bargains cannot always be found at
the local discount store in almost any town, so for fairness' sake, let's
work with the 100 dollars price as a given. For this 100 bucks, I get a
generic modem that will work with just about any PC with terminal software
and drivers for Macs, Linux, DOS, Win3.x, Win9x, Win2000/NT. It will also
work on just about any typical telephone line/connection.
OK, where's the comparable "usably fast" Packet modem that comes with
software for a variety of platforms and works with just about any typical
radio, all for 100 bucks or less?
I think a lot of folks are getting sick and tired of hearing tcpip goons
blaming "Joe Ham" over matters that are far beyond "Joe Ham's" personal
interest or control. Here you are, in effect, blaming "Joe Ham" for not
"waking up" to a situation that does not exist, because to understand his
motivation, you'd have to face a few facts that you do not choose to face. -
So poor old "Joe Ham" ends up once again being your excuse, your scapegoat.
This is the ignorance/arrogance from tcpip goons that many hams are no
longer willing to tolerate. All that whining is getting kind of old.
Fact is, "usably fast" Packet Radio/Modem combos are significantly more
expensive, more complicated, more difficult to find, more difficult to get
help on setting up, less reliable, and much harder to find someone else to
talk to with than the slower, cheaper, easier, more widely used stuff that
90-95% of all packet operators use. To run down "Joe Ham" for not being so
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