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the
> Internet has been thoroughly taken for granted. Then we can finally
move on
> to our own protocols, specifically tailored to the RF environment and
the
> needs of the Amateur Radio community.
>
> The current struggle to make the "square peg" of tcpip fit into the
"round
> hole" of Amateur Radio will then be behind us. - And good riddance!
What is your agenda, man? You are really out there. Come on! You
can't stop TCP/IP or the Internet... it WILL win!
To make TCP/IP "fit" in the Amateur Radio Service we just need to
communicate at a decent speed. 1200bps isn't gonna cut it. 1200bps
played right into the hand of the control freaks. I bet you used to
run a PBBS or a NET/ROM node or two, right? Well, with TCP/IP and the
Internet, we can make a nice end run around those silly old
technologies AND the control freaks who ran them.
Let me try to 'splain something to you - Ethernet(the main underlying
system that help support the explosion of the Internet and TCP/IP) IS
an RF environment. TCP/IP is PERFECT for hi-speed packet networks.
Now that a lot of folks are getting full-time hi-speed TCP/IP network
connections in their homes - we have a good chance at reaching critical
mass. The Kenwood TH-D7A helps - 9600bps makes TCP/IP usable for non-
Web Internet apps. Now, if somebody could start selling 56Kbps WA4SDY
modems, and the associated support h/w(I/O cards and transverters) at a
decent price, we would be in really good shape. TAPR seems to be stuck
in the mud with their CDMA stuff.
> --
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
> http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
Stewart - N0MHS
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Before you buy.
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:53:17 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Digital Amateur Radio License
Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote:
>> Note that all that obfuscation you provided says nothing at all
>> about what should (or even what can) happen when a message
>> cannot be delivered.
>Probably because I have a life. Read the RFC is my answer, get
>a Unix box and watch, is another possibility.
Watching the behaviour of a Unix box hardly does anything towards proving
that the Internet mail system is a "guaranteed" service...
>> There are NO "guarantees" Steve, none at all, in either network.
>> It is all "best effort".
>I didn't say there was grandpa, I mentioned that packet BBS has no
>mail receipt, and that SMTP mail does.
But you are wrong. Many BBS systems provide for a mail receipt, and none
is required in the SMTP standard. Voluntary standards to support it do
exist, like in the BBS system. And different systems do it in a different
way, so you sometimes get receipts about mail not yet delivered to the user
or even not yet delivered to its final destination. It may be lost after
you got your receipt.
Rob
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:47:32 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Digital Amateur Radio License
Dana H. Myers K6JQ <dana@source.net> wrote:
>> Nice theory, but unfortunately it doesn't fit the facts. The folks in
Europe
>> actually average having faster Internet access than most Hams in the USA,
>> and yet the introduction of cheap, easy Internet access had no serious
>> effect upon the gropwth of their packet network.
>I believe you're quite ignorant of the Internet access situation in Europe;
>as far as I can tell, most Europeans do not enjoy the inexpensive flat-rate
>telephone calling that most Americans do. Europeans generally pay by the
minute
>for every phone call, including Internet access.
But there exist many Internet providers that don't have monthly and hourly
fees, but are completely free as observed by the user. (they actually get
part of the phone call rate)
For light users, this usually is less expensive than signing up for
flat-rate telephony plus paying for an Internet provider.
(off-peak phone rates are well under a dollar per hour over here)
For those that want to be connected 24h/day, something which I would
consider a gross mis-use of a flat-rate telephone line, there exist
alternatives like cable-tv Internet, ADSL (now being rolled out), and
classical leased lines.
Rob
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:14:20 +0100
From: "f5lcy" <f5lcy@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: F6KEH HAM RESOURCES RELAY SITE
This site has been updated
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/softelecom/index_r.htm
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:04:45 -0500
From: "Joe F" <nils@voyager.net>
Subject: Help me fix my Kenwood or GE
I Need ANY and ALL MODIFICATIONS for the Kenwood TM D700A model radio and
any manuals for the GE: Ranger series with the delta head using S825 Control
Unit v.4.0 software.
PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!
Thanks
Joe F
nils@voyager.net
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:05:04 GMT
From: kelly@dvol.com (Brian Kelly)
Subject: May QEX digital voice article
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:11:37 -0600, Brian <burke1@icss.net> wrote:
>Brian Kelly wrote:
>
>If you wish to remain in a time warp, by all means do so.
>
I'm really glad that I have your permission to do so.
>
> But please
>allow the rest of us to move on (i.e., don't knock us).
>
Who is "us"? What is "moving on"? Where's the beef? All I'm seeing is
hot air and no action. Hello?
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:05:50 GMT
From: kelly@dvol.com (Brian Kelly)
Subject: May QEX digital voice article
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:44:37 -0600, W6RCecilA <Cecil.A.Moore@IEEE.org>
wrote:
>Brian Kelly wrote:
>> It strikes me that in order to compare ssb, etc. with
>> digital voice modes on this basis we need to start with establishing
>> the ratio for ssb. What is the "ssb ratio of effectiveness" based on
>> thruput divided by bandwidth?
>
>Ballpark SSB: 200wpm/3KHz = 67 words per KHz
>
OK, sounds sorta reasonable to me but maybe on the low side. My
experience with ssb indicates that I don't need 3khz. The stuff is
still quite intelligible when squeezed thru a good 1.8Khz filter. Not
quite hi-fi results of course but it works when condx get difficult.
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_73E
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