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> > > here in Europe. We can buy assembled SCC cards, accompanying modems,
> > > SCC cards with modems on them, separate modems connected to serial or
> > > parallel port, etc. And soundcards, of course.
>
> > URLs?
> > Manufacturer names?
> > Distributor names?
> > I keep hearing this rumor of wonderful gear available in Europe,
> > and know how to purchase from European manufacturers and distributors.
> > But who are they?
>
> If Dutch is no problem : http://www.dse.nl/ws19/nokia.html
With English and some German, Dutch is generally ok (smile).
> Here you can buy an scc card (only 1 scc chip) for US$ 25 and a 9k6 modem
> for US$50, and a Nokia cellular set suited for modification to 70cm 9k6
> also for US$50.
SCC card for f 57,50 is much cheaper than anything I can find here!
> Getting all this stuff shipped to the USA is quite a hassle - i'm sure
> similar projects are running over there ? We have literally truckloads
> of UHF cellular equipment to our disposal due to the demise of analog
> cellular networks.
There is very little happening here. The move to the internet pretty much
stalled all work on digital networks. I'm looking to get some new projects
off the ground, and have been studying what has been developed in Europe.
There does appear to be some very interesting gear, but the prices are
a bit high. That is better than the situation here, where there is little gear
available at any price. Have bought various things from European shops,
from many different countries, without too much hassle, so suspect it is
not a big deal any more. Before credit cards (like back in the 1950's)
it was quite a bother getting funds transfered, doing the currency exchange,
etc. etc. Now it is usually pretty easy. Maybe the Europeans can do a
bit more advertising targeted to the US market (smile).
> --
> Joop van der Velden
> pe1dna@amsat.org
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
>.
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:37:19 -0600
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: What is a good TNC?
If I might make a comment here.
When I first got started in packet (late-comer in 1989) the BBS and chat
was the main focus. There was pretty good netrom coverage in Oklahoma
and Texas, as well as Kansas.
It seemed to me that everything was going pretty good, but there was no
focus
for where it was supposed to go. The node custodians started finding other
things to do, and slowly they went away. The BBS still seemed to continue
without the nodes, but rather quickly the users went away. It seems that
everyone sold their packet stuff and got out of it. (I'm talking locally
here,
and other areas may have had totally different scenarios).
My comment is, what is packet radio supposed to do? Of course it provides
a method of exchanging messages, or even providing a data channel for
remote control, but what is the big picture?
I know that TAPR is going to release their Spread Spectrum radio in a few
years, and Hams will have high-speed low-power radios to network with,
but what is this network supposed to do? What is it that needs a data
network, that Hams can provide? Other than just the thrill of building
something electronic, and seeing it work?
I guess my question is, among the digital crowd, what solution do you need
that an amateur radio will solve?
Steve, K5OKC
Hank Oredson wrote
>
> There is very little happening here. The move to the internet pretty much
> stalled all work on digital networks. I'm looking to get some new projects
> off the ground, and have been studying what has been developed in Europe.
>.
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:18:57 -0800
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: What is a good TNC?
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:s9pnhour98e48@corp.supernews.com...
> My comment is, what is packet radio supposed to do? Of course it provides
> a method of exchanging messages, or even providing a data channel for
> remote control, but what is the big picture?
>
> I know that TAPR is going to release their Spread Spectrum radio in a few
> years, and Hams will have high-speed low-power radios to network with,
> but what is this network supposed to do? What is it that needs a data
> network, that Hams can provide? Other than just the thrill of building
> something electronic, and seeing it work?
>
> I guess my question is, among the digital crowd, what solution do you need
> that an amateur radio will solve?
Here's my vision-thing -- that the purpose of packet radio
is to build community. And that the technology is both
a means to facilitate communication, and a gatekeeper to
hold back the 'riff-raff.'
I mean, if you question, what is the purpose of 1.2Ghz
EME, I'd give the same answer. The real answer lies
in what kind of people use that mode, and are those
the kind of humans you want to hang out with?
I would say that to the extent you're insterested in developing
or even using 'weird technology' -- well, that's part
of it too. Obviously the specifics, and perhaps the 'rules'
are a matter for some debate. But at the bottom of it,
is always, 'what kind of 'interesting' techology can
we use to communicate' and 'are the other people doing
this the kind of people I want to hang out with.'
>.
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 06:11:27 GMT
From: crouchingllama@netscape.net (Osama/bin/login)
Subject: What is a good TNC?
I would be interested in networking along these lines with some
local folks, but that's one of the problems...we may live in separate
areas that make this unfeasable.
I have been experimenting with HamWeb, and it works well. I have
a 10BaseT network at home with an ISDN router as a default gateway;
this allows Internet access without the hassle and user intervention
of a dialup connection.
I live about 250 yards from a lake, and have been going out there
to test Internet accessibility via HamWeb and my LAN. Works like
a charm so far. But this is omnidirectional 70cm access, and after
a few miles the effectiveness wears off. Microwave would be fun
to experiment with; however, by nature this is a point to point
technology; I would like something with a broader coverage.
I don't want to "browse" the Internet while away, but it certainly
would be handy to have wireless Internet access at times.
I find your experimentation interesting, and would be interested in
working/talking/experimenting with folks with similar interests in
Dallas, or actually folks anywhere if it makes sense.
Some folks at l0pht (http://www.l0pht.com) were experimenting
with 2m or 70cm LAN links, but I don't know the outcome, plus
I think we live 1500 miles apart.
Anyway, good luck, and maybe something cohesive will come about
soon (and hopefully affordable!)
73
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 23:17:19 -0600, "Steve Sampson"
<ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote:
>I used to meet with several Hams every week, and we discussed
>packet and other Ham stuff over a pizza. Some of us were into the
>software, some into the hardware. Mostly we just had fun with the
>mode. Most of those guys have passed away, and I don't see anyone
>on the band who wants to experiment. Mostly it's just DX Cluster
>and APRS. So, I look at the wide-band radios and say that's pretty
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