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> Or you could read the above as:
> "I intend to wait until this problem of "LINUX Bigotry" has resolved itself,
> so I won't look like some kind of idiot by associating myself with other
> LINUX users."
Ahh, so there's no real problem at all. Since "Linux bigotry" will
turn you off linux, we should all be turned off packet radio by
your obvious packet radio bigotry. Otherwise we'd have double standards,
wouldn't we?
> Only one (1) person on this newsgroup twigged to the fact that my post above
> was intended to poke fun at persons who depend upon negativity in order to
> communicate and feel they must make exaggerated claims and tell outright
> lies in order to promote their "new religion", LINUX.
Look, Charles -- it's no skin off my nose if you don't use it. I think
it's a quality product and it has a lot to offer and will enhance
the art of packet radio (something I thought you were interested in),
so I'll keep using it and I'll keep talking about it.
> Pick up a copy of Huxley's little book, "Brave New World Revisited". It's a
> non-fiction follow-up to his popular SF story, "Brave New World". I do not
> exaggerate (grin) when I state that most people on this ng would find
> Huxley's writing to be a bit too much over their heads. If you can follow it
No need to patronise me, I have read the original.
Hamish
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Rising Software Australia Pty. Ltd. http://www.risingsoftware.com/
Phone: +61 3 9894 4788 Fax: +61 3 9894 3362 USA: 1 888 667 7839
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:26:53 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: The BBS network and tcp/ip.
Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:s0m4mmnor0129@corp.supernews.com...
>
> The bottom line, is we (Hams) do not need monolith programs anymore.
Hams "need" what they prefer and want to use. Period. Your insistence upon
abandoning all protocols but one (tcpip) and all software types that differ
from the rather narrow range of your personal preference DEFINES the words
"provincial", and "ignorant".
Your ignorant, provencial attitude is directly contrary to the spirit of
experimentation that makes Ham Radio interesting, educational, challenging,
and fun.
Before you become offended, look up the word "ignorant". It fits your
attitude perfectly. Can't argue with the facts, OM.
> Programs that duplicate the stuff built-in to the OS used. Since Unix was
> designed, the object has been to build function in modules. Modules that
> interact and communicate using pipes, sockets, or even files. Microsoft
> even uses this model in their office suite. Office is not a monolith, it
> uses
> process communication between modules.
>
> JNOS, SNOS, PKNOS, JIMMY-NOS, NOSNOS, they're all monoliths.
> They will all do something, and perform work, but who really cares about
> an addition to the monolith.
>
> Break the program down, and use the fork/exec, and some inter-process
> communication. Don't keep copying/modifying JNOS.
Such software has been available for several years now, and the US tcpip
community has studiously ignored them. You can keep on trying to convince
your fellow tcpip fans here in the US to catch up with the rest of the
world, but I doubt that you will have much luck. - They take great PRIDE in
being ignorant and provincial. - So much so that I doubt you'll have any
luck talking them out of it.
Don't give up, though!
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:16:13 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: The BBS network and tcp/ip.
D. Stussy <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.10.9910180309110.174-100000@dns.bde-arc.ampr.org...
> The original thread of this was: How to make a "gateway." Well, gateways
ARE
> SERVERS (more correctly, run server programs), and therefore, any OS which
is
> more server than client oriented will be better. Windows, being client
only,
> by design is simply going to suck. That's like sticking a beachball into
a
> soda can - it can be done, but only if it's deflated (but then what's
useful
> about a deflated beachball when one can have an inflated one with the
other
> approach?).
Linux bigots. Always the same. Sound like a clueless trollers.
Like the above paragraph, pretty much lacking in useful knowledge.
The original thread was "How to gateway BBS messages and bulletins
to and from smtp/pop mail and nntp articles using Windows."
I'm quite certain of this since I started the thread.
Linux did not enter in until certain Linux Bigots took over the thread.
In any case Linux will not help with the project at hand, since it is
being done in Windows. You (all the Linux Bigots) don't like that,
do it in Linux. Ain't been done yet, even though the Linux Bigots
claim it has. A good deal of progress in Windows, by several
different authors.
Yes, I looked at all the web sites, RPMs, and other references
provided by the Linux Bigots (and those provided by everyone else
as well). Not much there. Nothing there that will do what I am already
doing, much less what I actually want to do.
But the original issues remain, and have not been addressed by any
but two posters to this thread. Pretty useless newsgroup. Plenty
of babblers, very few doers. Got some radios to install and antennas
to put up, and a bit of new software capability to try out. Anyone
interested in actually DOING something? Give it a try.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 03:16:54 +0000
From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org>
Subject: The BBS network and tcp/ip.
On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Charles Brabham wrote:
Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
> news:s0jo95sqr0175@corp.supernews.com...
> > Charles Brabham wrote
> >
> > >I gave LINUX a fair trial, and it turned out to be garbage. I'll give
> > >it another try later on, but not until the problem I mentioned has been
> > >resolved.
> >
> >
> > You want us to believe you are an authority on packet radio, with all
> > the right opinions.... Then you want us to believe that you are an
> > expert on Operating Systems, with all the right opinions.
>
> Oh boy; Another one of Steve's personality attacks he comes up with, when he
> knows he's been proved wrong and has no rational arguement to offer.
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