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here and there is no HF station that is willing or able to accept them for
further forwarding without distorting them in any way, then I intend to
deliver
Hank's message any way possible, even if that includes using an AX.25 link
that
is transported via the Internet. If the message is worth sending in the first
place, then it should not die in the "system" for lack of some preconceived
notion about the transport medium. The alternative is a message non-delivery
system. And, most of the time, Hank's messages are worth reading! So why
shouldn't we all have the opportunity to read them regardless of transport
medium?
Now Hank, before you get your bathwater hot, your HF "winlink" buddy to my
north distorts and changes the body of messages. He also will not accept
several classes of bulletins or personal messages. I don't prefer to send
messages into a black hole where I know in advance they will be distorted. I
prefer to deliver the messages via a source that will get them there in their
original form.
Don, K8EIW
Hank Oredson wrote:
> pmarkham <pmarkham@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:36433.3060258178F2pmarkhamnewsguycom@208.134.253.187...
> > mchughes@NOSPAM.netnitco.net (Mike Hughes) wrote in
> > <7suua6$2lr$1@hyperion.nitco.com>:
> >
> > >
> > >In contrast, LLLids take traffic intended for amateur radio and relay it
> via a
> > >completely different network that has absolutely nothing to do with
> amateur
> > >radio.
> >
> > The "intended for amateur radio" is a pure fabrication
>
> You, sir, are an idiot.
>
> When I send traffic via ham radio, I intend it to go via ham radio.
> Thus "intended" above.
>
> Perhaps you are unfamiliar with American English.
> Thus this minor correction to your reading of what I wrote.
>
> I "intend", the Land Line Lids interfere with that intention.
>.
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Date: 30 Sep 1999 21:54:56 GMT
From: pmarkham@newsguy.com (pmarkham)
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
horedson@att.net (Hank Oredson) wrote in
<7t0kfc$hbe$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>:
>
>pmarkham <pmarkham@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:36433.3060258178F2pmarkhamnewsguycom@208.134.253.187...
>> mchughes@NOSPAM.netnitco.net (Mike Hughes) wrote in
>> <7suua6$2lr$1@hyperion.nitco.com>:
>>
>> >
>> >In contrast, LLLids take traffic intended for amateur radio and relay it
>via a
>> >completely different network that has absolutely nothing to do with
>amateur
>> >radio.
>>
>> The "intended for amateur radio" is a pure fabrication
>
>You, sir, are an idiot.
>
>When I send traffic via ham radio, I intend it to go via ham radio.
>Thus "intended" above.
>
>Perhaps you are unfamiliar with American English.
>Thus this minor correction to your reading of what I wrote.
>
>I "intend", the Land Line Lids interfere with that intention.
>
>
As an "idiot" and ex node sysop, I still maintain that I and most individuals
in my neighbourhood used the "ham radio" packet network to send or retrieve
data from point A to point B, with no concern how it travelled in the network
as long as it got from point A to point B.
Nothing you can say, personal or otherwise, will change what it was.
It is a pity that the conversation has to degenerate into personal animosity.
Pete/wa4hei
--
Eschew obfuscation.
>.
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:19:21 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
pmarkham <pmarkham@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>
> As an "idiot" and ex node sysop, I still maintain that I and most
individuals
> in my neighbourhood used the "ham radio" packet network to send or
retrieve
> data from point A to point B, with no concern how it travelled in the
network
> as long as it got from point A to point B.
If some local jerk characterized ME as being so ignorant, he'd be awfully
busy pickling my boot out of his butt, in short order.
>
> Nothing you can say, personal or otherwise, will change what it was.
What, your stupidity?
>
> It is a pity that the conversation has to degenerate into personal
animosity.
It's even more of a pity that idiots such as yourself are allowed into the
hobby in the first place, and tolerated once they are there.
Only an idiot would seriously consider your assertion that Radio is somehow
just not good enough for Ham Radio.
If Ham Radio is just not good enough for you, Bozo, please accept my
invitation to take a hike.
If Ham Radio is not good enough for you, then you are not good enough for
Ham Radio.
--
Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:18:29 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Don wrote in message <37F3DE03.A4D44210@neo.rr.com>...
>Now Hank, before you get your bathwater hot, your HF "winlink" buddy to my
>north distorts and changes the body of messages. He also will not accept
>several classes of bulletins or personal messages. I don't prefer to send
>messages into a black hole where I know in advance they will be distorted. I
>prefer to deliver the messages via a source that will get them there in their
>original form.
Interesting. How exactly are the messages being changed? Is this guy going
in and changing the words around? Or are lines disapearing?
Or is he putting a tagline at the bottom of messages.
I know the woman who does the satellite gateway here sticks a 'please support
Amsat' tag on messages that go through her system. Someone else here on
this side of the continent sticks in a 'Forwarded by Westnet. Please support
RF forwarding' sort of message. Is it that kind of thing? Or what is the
supposed motivation here?
>.
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:40:24 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
pmarkham wrote in message
>>Perhaps you are unfamiliar with American English.
>>Thus this minor correction to your reading of what I wrote.
>>
>>I "intend", the Land Line Lids interfere with that intention.
>>
>
>As an "idiot" and ex node sysop, I still maintain that I and most individuals
>in my neighbourhood used the "ham radio" packet network to send or retrieve
>data from point A to point B, with no concern how it travelled in the network
>as long as it got from point A to point B.
>
>Nothing you can say, personal or otherwise, will change what it was.
>
>It is a pity that the conversation has to degenerate into personal animosity.
Hmm, or maybe it's just that it's changed since you were active. How far
back was that? Seems like nowadays anybody who just wants to send
a message from Point A to Point B uses email. The number of people
who need Ham SYSOPS to provide them with access to email, I would
guess is pretty near to zero. Even the little old ladies have email
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