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sporadically available. Newer Baycom-style modems use the
MX614 chip, or any of its clones. TAPR sell MX614s in onesies
and twosies. Others probably do too.
--
Laura Halliday VA3LDH "Que les nuages soient notre pied
Grid: FN03gs a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
Satellite: VA3SFL on UO-22, KO-23, KO-25
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Before you buy.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:39:49 -0100
From: root <dluksic@jagor.srce.hr>
Subject: Packet modems
> Ok, so I can use a modem if I have the software, or a dedicated TNC for
> packet. What would be the lowest cost way of getting into packet then?
> I would like to eventually get into packet operation, but I fear that
> that won't happen until I'm a bit richer--either I pay $120~150 for the
> TNC (and use freebie software) or pay something similar for software
> that will already use my modem. (At least I suspect it would be similar
> priced.)
>
The software is usually free. You can use baycom terminal for instance
version 1.50 (for low speed baycom modem) which is free. You can use
TFPCX which is shareware. TFPCX does the job of the TNC - and with TFPCX
you can use most of popular software (like FBB BBS that is very robust
software and very complete - and is free). There are versions for
various platforms - I use DOS version, but I tried Linux version, and it
worked. You can get that on http://www.f6fbb.org/ It's cool, since it
has some 17 translations included in the package, good online help with
BBS, conferece room, gateways, DOS access, passwords, YAAPP (a binary
transfer protocol), and many other things.
There is also FlexNET which gives you the oportunity to use various
devices (eg. a sound modem) with usual FlexNET software. But I would not
suggest a soundmodem - specially not if you plan to use it under
windows. And, yes FlexNET is free for download.
The only thing you may have to pay for is a modem. Since you study
electrical engineering - I suppose you can build it by your own. It's
not very complicated. Parts should not cost much - 10$ maximum. I can't
give you no address, because I don't know it exactly - just search for
baycom/schematics - I'm sure you'll find it. If you want to buy it, look
at http://www.baycom.org/ .
A good place for many programs, amateur radio AND packet is at
http://www.qrz.com/files.html .
Ok, maybe it's too much info at once :)
Welcome to packet !
Lucius, HR1DAV
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:51:39 GMT
From: bitto@my-deja.com
Subject: PCMCIA Modem/tnc?
Hi.
I'm searching for pcmcia TNC (or modem) for packet radio.
Any idea?
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:43:17 -0000
From: "mop59362" <mop59362@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: SOFTWARE FOR MFJ-1280
where can i find some software for mfj 1280?
tks
best regard's from azores
carlos poinho cu3ft
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:55:43 -0500
From: Charles Fregeau <n5hsr@sprynet.com>
Subject: The Applications Mantra
In a way it is spillover from the "applications mantra" in the Wintel world.
Each new application gets fatter, with no real boost in functionality or
performance. Like putting a 454 in a VW Beetle, then governing it down so the
Beetle only goes 60. I have my packet machine still running DOS 6.2/Win3.1.
I do wish we'd get a little faster than 1200 baud, though. I got my first
computer with a 2400 baud modem, and packet was running 1200. I'm sitting
here
at a 57.6 modem 10 years later, and packet is still running 1200.
Charles R Fregeau, N5HSR
'It said 'Runs with Win95 or better' so I loaded it onto a Mac.'<g>
Charles Brabham wrote:
> "If we could get some new killer applications running on packet, this would
> cause the hobby to become more popular and bring in lots of new Hams."
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> It should... This is one of the many variants of the "applications mantra"
> which has been floating around the amateur packet radio community for
> several years now.
>
> It is politically correct to repeat this mantra, so we get to hear it a lot.
> Almost everybody pays the obligatory lip service to it, sooner or later.
>
> Being "politically correct", this also puts the "applications mantra" under
> the category of things that people tend to put their mouth in gear to repeat
> without bothering to engage their minds first. They don't tend to examine
> the statement and see if it really holds water... It's one of those
> "everybody knows" things; common knowledge. Most of us would be embarrassed
> to even question it but as we all know, I am impossible to embarrass in this
> way. ;-)
>
> Many of you will be upset at me taking a few pot-shots at this sacred cow,
> but has anyone else in the group taken a good look at this matter lately and
> thought it through? Where's the evidence to back up the constant assertions
> that a new application for Packet will cause the problems the US Packet net
> is currently facing to suddenly go away?
>
> Hams are so used to repeating the "applications mantra" that it never occurs
> to them to examine the reaction of Hams to new packet apps as they appear,
> and see if the wild enthusiasm that has repeatedly been predicted actually
> occurs. In other words, where's the evidence that the "applications mantra"
> we have all been busily parroting has any basis in fact?
>
> In my opinion, it is mainly a bit of misdirection brought to us by the
> people who are actually responsible for the problems that the "applications
> mantra" lamely blames on a lack of new packet applications.
>
> Amateur tcpip devotees have led the chorus in chanting this mantra, and
> there are numerous examples of virtually every amateur tcpip enthusiast on
> the net taking their turn to pay lip-service to the ever-present and
> obligatory "applications mantra".
> Until recently, this was almost exclusively done in reference to those
> wonderful built-in tcpip apps that are included with modern operating
> systems, and how Packet in the US would take a rapid turn-around as soon as
> they became available for use on packet... But now that they have been
> available for several years and almost none of those same tcpip devotees are
> even attempting to use them, those particular apps have now been removed
> from the mantra and new, as yet un-thought-of apps have magically taken
> their place there.
>
> Convenient, huh? Perpetual "Vapor Apps" whose crying need can't be
> questioned because they do not exist and nobody can imagine what they might
> be... Great for the circular reasoning so popular with the mantra-chanting
> set.
>
> Like I say; Where's the evidence that the "applications mantra" has any
> basis in fact?
>
> Gee, what if it turned out that it was one of those things that SOUNDS GOOD,
> but is actually a waste of hot air? What if it turned out that a lack of new
> killer applications is not what's been holding back and screwing up the US
> packet net after all?
>
> This deal is not by any means limited to amateur tcpip... For example, there
> is regular ax25 packet software now that allows exchange of digital audio
> messages on a reliable and practical basis on nets as slow as 9.6kb. This
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