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Restrictions on connection to a public telecommunications network
11. The licensee must not, directly or indirectly,
connect an amateur station to a public telecommunications network if the
station is:
(a) an amateur repeater station; or
(b) an amateur beacon station; or
(c) using automatic mode (including, for example, packet mode and
radioteletype
mode); or
(d) using computer controlled mode (including, for example, packet mode and
radioteletype mode).
http://www.aca.gov.au/legal/determin/lcd/amateur.htm
I know that wormhole stations do exist. I don't know under what
conditions or understanding they operate, though.
To be perfectly honest, I rarely bother with packet BBSs because
they are (1) slow (I only have 1200 facilities here), and (2) not
very interesting. I can get the DX cluster on the internet directly,
without the interference problems trying to run HF at the same time
as packet. I suspect the local DX info is coming in via the internet
but I really don't know for sure.
Hamish
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Rising Software Australia Pty. Ltd. http://www.risingsoftware.com/
Phone: +61 3 9894 4788 Fax: +61 3 9894 3362 USA: 1 888 667 7839
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:38:52 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
pmarkham <pmarkham@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:36430.51851250B06Dpmarkhamnewsguycom@208.134.253.120...
> Yes, Hank, we are a bunch of idiots to you if the above meets your
> qualifications.
>
> Have you wondered why you have limited success with preserving or
promoting
> the data network as you perceive it should be? Technology, options and
> priorities give the amateur radio community a different menu from
> yesteryear and we are making different choices today; like it or not.
>
> As one who has limited awareness of and admired your contributions to our
> hobby, I have a great deal of difficulty accepting your parochial view of
> history and human nature.
Um, huh?
You mean that when you use your cell phone to talk to another ham,
you consider that ham radio? I'm confused here.
"... as you perceive it to be ..."
What do you mean by this?
That using the internet is somehow "the ham radio network"?
My perception of ham radio is quite clear: it involves radios
and antennas and stuff like that, not the telephone or cell phone,
not part 15 devices nor part 95 devices. All those other things
may in fact be things I use, but I'm not "doing ham radio" when
I use them. I'm very clear about the difference. Are you?
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:40:16 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Hamish Moffatt <hamish@rising.com.au> wrote in message
news:7so0iq$31j3$4@arachne.labyrinth.net.au...
> Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > I asked the question earlier in this thread, and will ask it again:
> > Gary, can you send me a message via the ham radio BBS network?
> > I have *never* gotten a message from you there, nor seen any
> > bulletin you might have posted.
>
> This proves nothing, Hank. I agree with Charles's ideas
> (that the network should be 100% amateur radio), but I'm not going to
> logon to a packet BBS and send you a message to prove it. That just
> doesn't interest me that much.
I don't "log on to a packet BBS" to send messages via ham radio
either, I do it right here from this same program I'm typing in.
Can you do that?
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:15:11 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
pmarkham wrote in message .
>I have no reason to believe the discussions here are much more than
"religious"
>arguments that will not be resolved until they are rendered moot by
associated
>events that cannot be denied, ignored or misinterpreted.
Well at the very bottom of it, you know, is the very subjective notion of
'what is fun,'
This my normal day job, I'm a video game programmer. So, I'm completely
comfortable with the notion that this or that is preferrable because it is
'more
fun' -- apart from any objective criterion. For me, I think with PBBS/NTS,
maybe that
it is a little bit 'more fun' if the messages are RF only. I think the
cooperative
nature of the thing is kind of neat, actually, and it would be sad if it just
went
away. Is that "religious" in the pejorative sense you put it? If PBBS/NTS
goes
over internet, I think it really loses it's reason for existing. Might as
well
read Usenet. (Though I don't think this really applies to APRS or IP.)
Really, I don't think you're ever going to see "high speed connectivity
equivalent to that offered by local internet service providers." with ham
radio in the forseeable future. Me, I don't feel hugely motivated to spend
lots of money building a system so that people here in Berkeley can
have free internet service. I don't really want to pay someone else's
net bill. This doesn't sound like fun to me, sorry.
But, maybe if someone wants to do HF PBBS forwarding, and I really
am looking for people for this, or maybe even
try DSY modems across the bay, I'm game for that. I have no problem
with the Part 15 stuff. I'm kind of tempted to maybe give
that a shot. (Or see what comes around for Ham radio Spread Spectrum
stuff.) I'm pretty casual about dropping a hundred bucks here or there
on radio junk, though I tend to hem and haw a bit more for the more expensive
stuff.
To me the spirit of the hobby, is finding other people who are doing packet
radio here in the SF Bay area, and connect up with them and just have fun.
To me, this is not about expecting a level or service or performance or
anything.
If you want to do high speed packet, find someone else in your neighborhood,
or draft someone, like a friend or relative or something, and just do it.
All it takes is
two people, really. If you'd rather look at web pages and chat on irc, that's
fine too. It's just a hobby.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:31:14 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Hamish:
That's probably just fine for Australia which got its' constitution approved
and signed into law by the British Monarch in 1901.
However due principally to the "shot heard round the world", the
constitution of the USA (which was not approved by anybody's Monarch)
actually contains an amendment which guarantees the citizens of the USA the
"right" to bear arms.
Of course the USA is a republic and has no Monarch.
I can understand it myself, certainly if I were a Monarch I would never
grant my citizens the right to bear arms, would you?
To be continued in digest: hd_99_244G
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