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> Hank:
> High speed long haul on amateur frequencies is not possible for two
reasons:
> there is not enough bandwidth ffor high speed long haul on MF/HF and, on
> VHF/UHF/uWaves there is not enough critical mass at a national level (the
> wide open spaces) to get it together.
Please pay attention to the several discussions in this thread.
I've never said "high speed" and "long haul" with respect to
the same links. See my other posting about the THREE
different things I'm working on. Unlike some posters here,
I have a lot of different interests, as well as the time and
resources to make progress in all three of them.
Some posters assume that long haul links will become saturated
with traffic. This has not been the case. Traffic tends to be
quite local in nature. Total data rate required decreases with
distance.
Also do not confuse what Gary talks about with anything I
might be interested in doing. I'm always talking "global store
and forward network". I have little interest in online/interactive
chat etc. operation. For that I do not use digital modes ...
.... well CW is digital I guess <grin>
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:03:57 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
pmarkham <pmarkham@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> As long as a far superior and economical option is available to
communicate,
> whether I am in love with either view, "technology" or "limit", I will
choose
> the option that gets the job done to satisfy my desire for instant
> gratification at the most economical price. At this time, and looking at
the
> future, nothing beats the internet for meeting my desires relative to
messages,
> newsgroups, browsing, etc.
I see. You are not a ham perhaps?
You now use a cell phone instead of a mobile, since that technology
is far better. You never use 20M because the internet can communicate
over the entire planet instantly. In fact, using your logic, there is no
reason whatsoever to use ham radio.
What a bunch of idiots.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
>.
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Date: 27 Sep 1999 14:34:57 GMT
From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@rising.com.au>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Wow, next Charles will want the government to take away my guns!
What sort of reply are you expecting to that one?
Fortunately in Australia we don't see it as a basic right to
own any lethal firearms.
Hamish
--
Hamish Moffatt Mobile: +61 412 011 176 hamish@rising.com.au
Rising Software Australia Pty. Ltd. http://www.risingsoftware.com/
Phone: +61 3 9894 4788 Fax: +61 3 9894 3362 USA: 1 888 667 7839
>.
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Date: 27 Sep 1999 14:56:26 GMT
From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@rising.com.au>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> I asked the question earlier in this thread, and will ask it again:
> Gary, can you send me a message via the ham radio BBS network?
> I have *never* gotten a message from you there, nor seen any
> bulletin you might have posted.
This proves nothing, Hank. I agree with Charles's ideas
(that the network should be 100% amateur radio), but I'm not going to
logon to a packet BBS and send you a message to prove it. That just
doesn't interest me that much.
Hamish
--
Hamish Moffatt Mobile: +61 412 011 176 hamish@rising.com.au
Rising Software Australia Pty. Ltd. http://www.risingsoftware.com/
Phone: +61 3 9894 4788 Fax: +61 3 9894 3362 USA: 1 888 667 7839
>.
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Date: 27 Sep 1999 16:26:32 GMT
From: pmarkham@newsguy.com (pmarkham)
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
horedson@att.net (Hank Oredson) wrote in
<7smmpt$okk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>:
>I see. You are not a ham perhaps?
>
>You now use a cell phone instead of a mobile, since that technology
>is far better. You never use 20M because the internet can communicate
>over the entire planet instantly. In fact, using your logic, there is no
>reason whatsoever to use ham radio.
>
>What a bunch of idiots.
>
The availability of economical personal radio communication equipment and
services has made the fm simplex and repeater scene a vast wastelend
relative to what it was. A recent trip from the north shore of L. Mi. to
San Antonio, Tx and back verified that the observation was not exclusive to
my small town, rural environment. Lotsa idiots found a preferable way to
communicate or choose not to communicate.
If I want to swap lies, by radio, with some other amateur operator cross
town or across the world, I do it; within the context of the limitations
of propagation, equipment, time, etc. If I want to communicate now, with no
limitations, I use the phone for voice or data. I find lotsa idiots do the
same.
By my logic, and the apparent logic of most hams, I use amateur radio
because I love the "magic" of the media and the technology and I seek the
the company and conversation of like minded individuals. Still enough
idiots to qualify as, lotsa.
Yes, Hank, we are a bunch of idiots to you if the above meets your
qualifications.
Have you wondered why you have limited success with preserving or promoting
the data network as you perceive it should be? Technology, options and
priorities give the amateur radio community a different menu from
yesteryear and we are making different choices today; like it or not.
As one who has limited awareness of and admired your contributions to our
hobby, I have a great deal of difficulty accepting your parochial view of
history and human nature.
Pete/wa4hei (Ham since 1962 ;-) )
--
Eschew obfuscation.
>.
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Date: 27 Sep 1999 14:54:47 GMT
From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@rising.com.au>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote:
> I pointed out that Gary was involved in "Amateur Telephone". That was a
> statement of fact, and if Gary is insulted by this, then he has insulted
> himself. I had nothing whatsoever to do with his choice in that matter.
> Gary DID use very insulting language against me though and yes, you are
[...]
Well, I didn't see that. I find it surprising, but I'll have to take
your word for it. I did just see a post where Gary said he was only
interested in pure-radio networks though.
>> Your source for info on the VK packet situation?
> A number of Australian Hams; Who else?
> I'd be interested in your view too, and I was also wondering: Are the
> LandLine Lids in Australia still operating illegally, or has the group
> managed to downgrade the integrity of Australian Amateur Radio by watering
> down the regs to allow and encourage Hams using non-ham means of
> communication instead of Amateur RADIO?
The regulations have not been updated since 1997. They say:
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