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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700
From: "Cathryn Mataga" <cathryn@junglevision.com>
Subject: Kinda spooky - Bandwidth to burn . . .
Peter O. Brackett wrote in message <7so8m7$4s9@dfw-ixnews19.ix.netcom.com>...
>Rob:
>
>Well the other wonderful about these bands is that those oceans of Hz (1,111
>MHz) available to us can be re-used over and over again by simple
>spatial/geographic re-use.
>
>So if you get off the TV realy paths, and watch the geography and
>interference then you can use those bands anyway.
>
>And so . . . in practice we have available to us much more than the simple
>1,111 MHz! We have that 1,111 MHz bandwidth multiplied by the number of
>geographically separate "non-interference cells" that we choose to deploy.
>
>Wow, talk about bandwidth to burn.
>
>And we amateurs are sitting on our old 2 m and 70 cm allotments and letting
>the commercial guys do all the innovation in this broadband area.
>
>What happened to the old ham radio spirit of pioneering new areas for radio
>and its' applications?
>
>Many of us seem obsessed with moving backwards into the past and are missing
>all of the wonderful opportunities in the future.
I think the whole arguement is more of a huge confusion over what is
a internet gateway or forwarding PBBS mail by internet, etc. I see the
argument as follows.
Side A: Internet forwarding of PBBS is bad.
Side B: You're holding back progress -- and use of Microwave.
Side A: You're a supid idiot.
Side B: You're anacronistic scum. Die, die, die.
Side A: Rot in hell you evil son of satan.
Etc, etc.
I don't think PBBS forwarding has a whole lot to do with making
use of microwaves. But, I don't think it necessarily deserves to die
for that reason. Internet gateways have zero to do with internet
forwarding of PBBS either -- as far as I've seen. Pretty much the
Ax25 and ip networks, at least here in the SF Bay area, are
pretty distinct.
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Date: 27 Sep 1999 18:55:05 GMT
From: pmarkham@newsguy.com (pmarkham)
Subject: Kinda spooky - Bandwidth to burn . . .
ab4bc@ix.netcom.com (Peter O. Brackett) wrote in <7so8m7$4s9@dfw
-ixnews19.ix.netcom.com>:
>And we amateurs are sitting on our old 2 m and 70 cm allotments and
>letting the commercial guys do all the innovation in this broadband
>area.
>
>What happened to the old ham radio spirit of pioneering new areas for
>radio and its' applications?
>
>Many of us seem obsessed with moving backwards into the past and are
>missing all of the wonderful opportunities in the future.
>
>
Hi, Peter.
Glad to find you stirring the pot. It may help.
As an individual that pays his bills by troubleshooting and repairing a
variety of electronic and electromechanical equipment, it still amazes
me, at times, that a customer at the counter has absolutely no conceptual
grasp of how much intellectual and production magic is squoze into the
typical electronic appliance. Way more than I, with my somewhat above
average intellect, could grasp or remain conversant with, if I were
immortal and the state of the art continued to expand at the current
rate.
It is sufficiently intimidating and time consuming for me to maintain
a degree of proficiency to pay my bills, without trying to gain and/or
maintain proficiency in advancing the state of the art in my hobby. From
my somewhat "average" perspective I barely have the time to wipe my a..
if I want to eat regularly.
For those few percent that carry the rest of the world because of
serendipity due to nature or nurture, my heartfelt thanks. For those in
that position that have never given SERIOUS thought to how the great
"unwashed" survive or live, you should. You might be amazed at how large
a percentage of folks around you are scuffling for a living and have
neither the time, motivation, or the ability to be much use to some of
the great concepts discussed here.
When an individual's profession has nothing to do with electronics, a
situation that a greater percentage of new hams can identify with, it
becomes more likely that development by the amateur community will be
less likely. I find it logical that until commercial equipment can be
obtained and/or modified easily and economically relative to one's
station in life, much of the spectrum above 70 cm will remain unused
until attractive plug and play packages become available or the fed
peddles the spectrum.
Just a view from the pits.
PS. I have been around the world and if I learned nothing else about
human nature and the human condition it is this:
Most folks cannot or will not make the intellectual attempt to live in
another's shoes to consider life and its complications from that
perspective. We cannot but imagine and, perhaps, empathize from that
intellectual exercise, for we can never actually view the world from
another's perspective. Consequently, many discussions, decisions and
action are premised on ones own "religious" view of of the world.
Yup! Its philosophy, but it pertains, directly, to many of the
discussions.
Pete/wa4hei
--
Eschew obfuscation.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:00:47 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Kinda spooky - Bandwidth to burn . . .
Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7so8sm$4vh@dfw-ixnews19.ix.netcom.com...
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> Charles, how about some comments on my Bandwidth to Burn thread?
I suppose I'm like most other Hams in that I've noticed that the equipment
for freqs higher than the 440 band is a good deal more expensive to buy, as
are the feedlines those freqs require. I haven't seen a compelling need to
use those freqs (personally) so I don't cough up the extra bucks or go to
the extra trouble to do so.
The antennas are smaller, but that's not much compensation.
My feeling is that the higher-freq radios and higher-speed packet modems are
best utilized on backbone links, where a relatively small number of them can
do the most good.
I don't really see a need for "Joe Ham" to go for the microwave stuff, since
you need a decent access/backbone speed ratio in order to keep everybody
happy anyway. Let 'em use 2m and 440 for access... (ref: "Let them eat
cake.")
That's what the average user wants anyway... Why not take advantage of that,
and plan accordingly? To do otherwise is to "argue with the weather", which
can only lead to frustration.
The 440 stuff is good for up to and maybe higher than 19.2kb, which is
pretty fast for RF user access. - Much better than we typically see on
packet today.
When Hams cook up theories that require large numbers of appliance operator
Hams to suddenly start buying expensive microwave rigs, that's when I know
they are living in fantasy land. The only way we will see widespread use of
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