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service. I suspect it would be similar to the effect the open source
movement has had on proprietary software development.
--- eric
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Eric S. Johansson ka1eec esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:15:06 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: The Aplication Mantra
Eric S. Johansson <esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us> wrote in message
news:7sdlup$pup$1@harvee.billerica.ma.us...
> Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > How to get things moving?
> > Needs volunteers.
>
> I'm perfectly willing to lay down a couple of hundred dollars for a
> high-speed radio link. I would gladly dedicate one of my spare
> systems as a (web/ftp/...) server with accounts for anybody who asked.
> My question is: would anybody use it and for what?
>
> I guess this is my way of saying that packet radio is dying from a
> lack of interesting applications. I'll help only if I can get enough
> bandwidth to do something interesting (eg > 128kbits/second).
>
> --- eric
Gary suggested about $800 (each end) for a 56k link.
I did the research this morning, and came up with the following prices:
$249 - Serial card (SCC - 85230 and RS-422)
$349 - WA4DSY RF modem.
$410 - 70 cm transverter for the above.
$85 - Back mount small yagi.
$50 - Coax
Some extra for cables, connectors, power supply.
All the above available in stock at the various suppliers.
This will get you a reasonable signal on 70 cm at 56k baud.
However the $1143 per link end is a bit more than Gary's $800,
and quite a bit more than your "couple hundred".
Now if you can build some of this stuff, or find it used, or ???
then you might hit, or beat, that $800 number.
A quick look on E-Bay did not turn up any hits, but I didn't
spend a lot of time searching.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:20:13 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: The Aplication Mantra
Eric S. Johansson <esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us> wrote in message
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> Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote:
> > Notice how he thinks the rules should MOST PARTICULARLY be dropped for
> > digital networking?
>
> > Of course, we all know as hams that using Radio and following the rules
are
> > not as important to us as when handling digital info as it is for analog
> > info.
>
> > As long as it's digital, anything goes, right? Ham Radio kiddie-porn,
> > anybody?
>
> > Sorry, but I consider anyone who would contemplate undermining the
entire
> > amateur radio service in order to facilitate a desire to get "freebee
> > Internet access" as being somewhat less than human.
>
>
> I suggest backing up and re-reading the original post. There was
> nothing in there that suggested turning amateur radio into: citizens
> band, kiddie-porn transport, or freebie Internet access. there was only
> the reasonable suggestion of thinking about eliminating content
> restrictions when using amateur radio as the transport.
Exactly.
One might argue that any non-commercial use of content, whether
that content is commercial or not, is already permitted. For example,
I can talk about the price I found at HRO for my new radio without
any problem. Can even tell folks they should grab their web browser
and order one themselves. Unless of course HRO is PAYING me
to say these things, in which case I can't say them.
> personally, I am very much in favor of this idea. As long as you keep
> in place the current restrictions on commercial activity, we should be
> reasonably protected from commercial entities using the amateur bands.
Agreed. Have run tests with n7qdn where we each accessed the other's
ISP connection over ham radio. A lot of issues about content in this
situation! See above response ...
> I see the primary advantage of this kind of rule change is to generate
> enough interest in radio based networks because there would be
> something interesting to do with them (i.e. connect to the Internet).
> There are also a whole bunch of social side effects when a populous
> controlled service exists simultaneously with a corporately controlled
> service. I suspect it would be similar to the effect the open source
> movement has had on proprietary software development.
This is already possible, and is often done. Heck, I'm doing it right
now (Surprise! I'm using ham radio tcp/ip networking to get from
this machine to another machine which has the proxy server which
connects our house network to Worldnet).
> --- eric
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:17:29 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: The Aplication Mantra
Eric:
Hear, hear! So there others who believe that we would not be selling our
souls if we did this. Thank God.
Hey, regarding Charles noting that I suggested deregulation only for digital
UHF/uWave networks.
I really believe that to be appropriate. MF and HF is a special case in
many ways.
HF is a very scarce and non-reusable long distance resource. And nowaday's
not many want that spectrum anyway.
Let's petition the FCC to turn MF/HF into a preserve, something like our
National Parks. i.e. The FCC set aside the MF and HF bands as International
preserves and restrict further wide band or spread spectrum developments in
that spectrum and let the amateur radio equivalent of hunters, fishermen,
loggers, hikers, mountaineers and divers who enjoy our national parks, to
keep and enjoy HF as it is. It would also be preserved for the enjoyment of
future generations of CW, SSB, RTTY, xTORs, users, contesters, etc. . . I
believe it has been proven that at least for the near and intermediate term
this group of users is either decreasing or at most remaining constant.
Now UHF and uWaves is an entirely different kettle of fish. Everyone wants
those frequencies today. Use it or lose it!
On UHF and uWaves where the frequencies can be used over and over again
geographically and where we have bandwidth to burn, we petition the FCC to
deregulate as much as possible. Let us be free to innovate. Don't restrict
what we can carry on our digital networks as long as we are relaying the
content of others. A proposal might be to allow individual amateurs and
non-commercial, non-profit organizations to construct and operated radio
access networks in these frequency bands. Allow these amateur radio access
networks to interconnect directly to commercial networks like the Internet
with no restriction other than that the amateur radio access networks cannot
make a profit. Any content carried on the network to be the responsibility
(both legally and ethically) of the initiator of the content. If it happens
to be illegal content, then enforce against the originators, not the network
and access operators!
I say deregulate as much as possible above HF, that's the only way to save
amateur radio and create growth for the future. Otherwise others will take
To be continued in digest: hd_99_240I
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