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> 4. How many 1.2 kbps and less speed nodes are there?
I would imagine that their network uses the same number of nodes running at
less than 1.2kb that we do. That's zero, in case you still haven't figured
out how ignorant that question was.
How many 1.2 kb nodes are there in Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico and Arizona?
Nobody really knows, of course. Steve was just grasping at straws, having
realized that he's been backing the wrong horse.
> Give us the facts, not what you think. Did you just make a visit there?
Nope. Never been there. Try asking Don Rotolo N2IRZ of NEDA about that. He
wrote up an article on the German FlexNet network for CQ VHF a few years
back, and travels back 'n forth a bit, from what I understand.
Most of my information on the state of the European net comes from things
Don has written, along with association with the FlexNet group and a number
of Hams from different parts of Europe who have been kind enough to exchange
e-mail with me and share the info that later went into many of my FlexNet
setup articles.
I've been looking into different angles of the European net for a couple of
years now, as best I can from Pottsboro, Texas. I "americanize" the stuff I
pick up in those articles, and stick them on my web site for all hams, but
most especially for US hams, who deserve much better than the gloom 'n doom
you A types have been feeding them for the last decade.
>
> If Europe was a great place to live, several million American men and
> women wouldn't have died in brutal warfare for the last 90 years. Two
> more just recently came home from Kosovo in body bags. Packet Radio
> is the least of their problems, or successes.
That paragraph makes very little sense to me, OM. Looks like you are
displaying another personal problem in this post, as you usually do. My
theory is that you need to lay off the cheap beer.
Are you on medication, by any chance? If not, you should give it serious
consideration.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:58:29 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Ham tcpip network = pipedream
<steve_sampson@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7s41d2$hc8$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > I do not see why Hams using Radio is treated as being less important
> > in the US than it is in Europe.
>
> I don't see the facts. You say Europe (and that covers quite a few
> square miles) is wired, and the US is not. Please provide us with the
> facts:
>
> 1. How many 9.6 kbps and greater speed nodes are there?
8,137 as of September 13, 1999. Increasing rapidly.
> 2. Of those nodes, what is the average bytes per day transported
> over 20 miles?
I think you meant "30 km. or longer". Somewhat above 15 MB per day.
> 3. Of those nodes, what is the average bytes per month transported
> over 20 miles?
A bit less than .5 TB per month.
> 4. How many 1.2 kbps and less speed nodes are there?
1,285 as of September 1, 1999. Slowly decreasing.
> Give us the facts, not what you think. Did you just make a visit there?
There they are. Do you wish to argue with them?
You could have done the research yourself.
The node lists etc. are all published on the net.
> If Europe was a great place to live, several million American men and
> women wouldn't have died in brutal warfare for the last 90 years. Two
> more just recently came home from Kosovo in body bags. Packet Radio
> is the least of their problems, or successes.
What bull crap.
> Steve
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
..
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:38:36 GMT
From: steve_sampson@my-deja.com
Subject: Ham tcpip network = pipedream
Chuckles wrote:
>
> Well, I'm glad that *somebody* knew where to look for that info! I
> didn't have the slightest idea about that.
>
> I'll venture a guess that Steve didn't really want any of that info
> though... He was just playing his role as the petulant, bitter loser
> of a debate, lacking the stones to admit it to himself or others.
My point was well made by your reply above. That is, that you keep
saying that Europe is better than the US, but have no facts, only an
opinion. Hank has what appears to be facts, but I can show you a
packet map of Oklahoma, and prove that 50% are gone, and another 10%
are unworkable to any purpose. Doesn't mean shit, Shelock.
I've been to Europe many times. It's a cesspool by any American
standard. The fact that they all war against each other to be on top
of that cesspool is reason enough to ignore them. Only Israel tops
them in the cesspool status.
I don't expect non-veterans to understand.
Steve
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:05:20 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Ham tcpip network = pipedream
<steve_sampson@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> I don't expect non-veterans to understand.
Keep in mind that understanding does not imply agreement.
But go ahead and patronize away.
By the way: all those numbers I posted were made up.
Just another troll here in trolland.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:47:35 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Ham tcpip network = pipedream
<steve_sampson@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7s6ghr$958$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> I don't expect non-veterans to understand.
I'll have to take exception to that, Steve. I know a number of veterans who
are perfectly rational.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:21:57 GMT
From: nomail@pe1chl.demon.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Ham tcpip network = pipedream
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>By the way: all those numbers I posted were made up.
>Just another troll here in trolland.
When I connect to a nearby node that lists both NET/ROM and Flexnet
destinations, I get this:
*** Connected to PI1THT
Welkom bij PI1THT / ++ NO WIRE ++ / I=info, H=help, A=aktueel 26 juli
Twente:PI1THT}
n
:9A0XZG :DA5UAA :DB0AAB :DB0AAC
:DB0AAI :DB0AAL :DB0AAT :DB0ABC
:DB0ABH SZ :DB0ABZ :DB0ACA :DB0ACC
:DB0ACC-7 :DB0ACH :DB0ADK :DB0AFS
LG :DB0AGI LG70 :DB0AGM LGBOX :DB0AGM-5 :DB0AHO
:DB0AHR :DB0AIS :DB0AJA :DB0ALG
:DB0AMB :DB0ANP :DB0APO :DB0ASF
PBFLX :DB0AX PB :DB0AX-1 PBFL96:DB0AX-9 SH9600:DB0AZ
:DB0BAD :DB0BAL TUT :DB0BAX :DB0BBG
:DB0BCC :DB0BDX :DB0BER :DB0BGH
Bhv :DB0BHV :DB0BIB BIDFLX:DB0BID BIDTNN:DB0BID-7
:DB0BIL :DB0BKK :DB0BLN :DB0BLO
JULICH:DB0BM :DB0BMI :DB0BNO :DB0BOH
n :DB0BOS :DB0BOX PBLOC :DB0BQ PBBBS :DB0BQ-3
PBCLU :DB0BQ-6 :DB0BRB BRIflx:DB0BRI BRIbox:DB0BRI-8
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