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Bob, VK6BE wrote:-
> Why are you telling us this?
To bring you up to speed.
Who are the "us" for whom you claim to speak?
You are not the appointed spokesman for the ww packet community.
You are a one-off.
I sent a bull to ww packet for anyone who may interested in the news that
under the leadership of Kevin Rudd, the government has taken this
momentous step towards shaking off the racist tag which John Howard and
his cohort lumbered Oz with.
Discerning people who aren't interested in the topic won't bother to
download the bull. That's the beauty of packet - nothing is force-fed.
You have an inalienable right to ignore my bulls as I do yours.
As this isn't the sort of news in which you're interested, I'm puzzled
once more as to why you are drawn to my bulls like a moth to a flame.
Can you not conquer this affliction?
I like to spread good news stories about Oz and it's wonderful news that
after a decade of denial by John Howard, Rudd has picked up where Keating
left off.
In ten years only two of 54 recommendations in the Bringing Them Home
report have been implemented. A shocking indictment of the Howard era.
>We know.
"We"?
You speak only for yourself.
>It is in all our papers and on radio and TV.
You say you don't read the papers and tell me not to believe what I see
on Oz TV or read in your papers. You say they're all "left wing
activists".
You've got me all mixed up now.
>According to the polls about 60% of the country agree with
>the move
There you go again.
Sweeping generalisations with no underpinning evidence to support your
assertions. This is very sloppy work. Do I take it you believe the polls
(which you don't identify) are a credible reflection of the whole of the
country?
Surely not.
Do you agree with the apology?
I get the impression you don't. (Last time round you seemed to think the
ungrateful "stolen" children - now adults, should be saying thank-you.)
By "polls" do you mean online polls run by newspapers for their readers.
Do you know nothing about statistics and sampling techniques required for
a poll to have any meaning?
Don't you know about statistical probability, skewness and significance
in sampling techniques? Are you passing off a statistically insignificant
self-selected sample of newspaper readers in a poll you don't identify
as being representative of "the country"?
Yes, I think you are.
This is very disappointing.
For a survey to not be skewed, the sample size and selection needs to be
sufficiently large enough and sufficiently representative of the whole
population so that to take a larger sample would not alter the results.
The normal confidence level used for a statistically robust survey is 95%.
In other words, you can be 95% sure sample size and selection is such that
the results of the sample reflect that of the whole population.
The age spread, ethnic and socio-economic backgrounds, and geographical
location of the sample would need to mirror the population as a whole.
No such survey has been carried out.
Apart from this, any views will be based on whether those in the poll
accept the findings the Human Rights Commission's Bringing Them Home
report in 1997, which said that this was genocide.
This allegedly took place from the 1910s until the late '60s right across
Australia. In some parts of the commonwealth it was still going on in the
'80s.
I doubt many Aussies have even read the report or even care about it.
You don't seem to have done Bob.
>but nearly 70% don't agree that compensation should be paid.
They're entitled to their opinions.
It will have no bearing on what happens.
In any event case law for compensation has been established in the case of
Bruce Trevorrow - the first person from the Stolen Generations to secure
compensation after a long hard struggle through the Australian courts.
A shocking case.
If we're going to quote what the papers say, Keith Windschuttle (what
a wonderful handle!) writing in The Australian on 9 Feb 2008 wrote:
Quote:
"Bringing Them Home" claimed:
"not one indigenous family has escaped the effects of forcible removal".
Hence it recommended that virtually every person in Australia who claimed
to be an Aborigine was entitled to a substantial cash handout.
The Bruce Trevorrow case in South Australia provided a benchmark for what
that sum should be - a minimum of $500,000. The Aboriginal population
today numbers almost 500,000, living in about 100,000 families.
If those who are serious about an apology are also serious about
compensation, arguably they should back it with a lump sum payment
of $500,000 to each family, a total of $50 billion.
Only an amount on this scale can legitimately compensate for such a
crime and satisfy the grievances of activists such as Lowitja O'Donohue
and Michael Mansell.
Parliament can't pick those bits of Bringing Them Home it finds
congenial and ignore the rest. The report's logic is impeccable.
If children really were systematically removed to end the existence of
Aborigines as a distinct people, then the crime was definitely genocide.
Unquote.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23182149-28737,00.html
See - I quote my sources.
>Save your bandwidth, David.
There you ago again - telling me how I should use my time.
I can feel lots more bulls on this topic coming on.
>We know more than you.
I never cease to be amazed at how little you know, and how little you want
to know Bob. Why not read the instructive teaching resources at the HREOC
site to help you come up to speed with what you'd have to teach in school
today?
>You are teaching your grandmother to suck eggs.
Can't be done I'm afraid. I try to point you in the right direction,
but there's none so dumb as those that don't want to learn. I see it
as a calling.
As soon as I turn my back, you're off on another froggy frolic.
Frogs?
It's like trying to herd cats.
Best wishes
David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR
Cottingham, East Yorkshire.
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