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Peter, VK8PDG wrote:-
> Has any one seen this documentary/Movie Fahrenheit 9/11 ?
Millions by now, despite attempts to stop it being screened in the US.
Critics have tried to debunk the film saying it isn't factual, but
Moore has a line by line justification to back up the facts. The
9/11 Commission Report also confirms the key Fahrenheit 9/11 facts.
(See: michaelmoore.com).
His website carries a review of the film by General Sir Michael Rose,
former Commander of the UN Protection Force in Bosnia, published in
the UK Press on July 1st 2004. Clearly someone who knows what he's
talking about, and a cut above the average film critic.
The full text of what he said was:
Quote:
I suspect many soldiers serving in Iraq today will find Michael Moore's
film intensely irritating. This is because for much of the film he allows
his anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-big business stance to obscure the debate;
whether President George W Bush led his country - and by default the UK -
into war on Iraq on a lie, and whether subsequently, in trying to impose
justice, freedom and democracy on the Iraq people by force, the Americans
became so violent and brutal themselves that they lost the moral high
ground forever.
Nevertheless, Moore has mounted a powerful protest against the Bush
Administration, in which he uses all the tricks of a skilled polemicist -
ridicule, conspiracy theory, and sensationalism.
He shows terrible images of dead and dying civilians and soldiers in Iraq.
He interviews US soldiers both in Iraq and in hospital in America who
question why they went to Iraq to kill "innocent civilians", and he
intrudes closely on the grief of an American mother who lost her son.
I believe this film will utterly destroy any residual confidence that the
American people might have in George W Bush as a decisive war leader.
For a full five minutes, Moore cruelly dwells on Bush's vacuous tortured
face in close-up immediately after he'd been told about the attacks on the
World Trade Centre and Pentagon.
The message is clear. Here is no Roosevelt, Churchill or Thatcher, but
a deeply inadequate man whose mind is frozen with indecision and fear. It
is a look I know well - if he'd been a subordinate commander in battle I
would have immediately relieved him of his command.
What emerges from this film is that America is unlikely ever to attempt
such a disastrous military adventure again.
The trust of many American people in their leadership has been destroyed
and the all volunteer army in Iraq has run out of steam. It is now heavily
dependent on the reservists who are taking much of the strain of
operations in Iraq.
Many of these young people only joined the army to obtain funding for
their university education. They never expected to be sent overseas for
such a prolonged period of time, and - if Moore's film is a true
reflection of American opinion - they will not allow themselves to be so
badly mislead again.
Looking beyond Moore's sensationalism, I think his underlying message
is nonetheless valid. The war in Iraq was immoral and has caused some
Americans to behave in an immoral way themselves. Meanwhile, the wider
war on terror is being lost.
Fact or fiction, everyone should see this film. I for one support Moore's
protest.
End quote.
(* Polemicist - someone involved in argument and controversy).
> If not you would indeed be missing out on how it really was as most
> person out there seem to have been brain washed into some kind of stupa
> into thinking that it was Iraq that done the bombing on the USA on
> 9/11 even the news service at the time of the 9/11 incident was being
> told what to say and hence came about the unprovoked Terrorist attack
> on Iraq and its sovereignty along with its people of Iraq by President
> George Bush of the USA along with Pre minister Tony Blair of the UK and
> our own Australian Pre minister John Howard.
Moore is a wind-up merchant who courts controversy. Some in the US say
he's a traitor - others a patriot for having the courage to expose things
many would rather were left under wraps. He has a whimsical and
provocative way of getting serious points across in his books and films to
make people stop and think.
EG: In the introduction to his book "Dude Where's My Country?" a follow up
to his best-seller "Studip White Men", he asks the question "Where's my
country gone - this isn't the America I know and love". He starts by
saying:
Quote:
"Greetings fellow members of the Coalition of the Willing! Actually,
that's only if you're a Brit or Aussie. If you're Irish, or a Kiwi, or
Indian, or pretty much every other country on earth that didn't join our
invasion party, what's the heck's the matter with you? Didn't you know
what you're supposed to do when the world's only superpower barks? We bark
- you jump".
He goes on:
"Strangely, Tony Blair and John Howard of Australia fell for the monster
spook story. I had no idea these otherwise intelligent men were such
suckers".
End quote.
> But don't you just like how these three heads of state turn things
> around and called Iraq Terrorist !.
Sadly, even now many Americans still believe that invading Iraq had
something to do with 9/11. Maybe that's because of the enormity of
facing up to the magnitude of the mistake that's been made in their
name?
Let's never underestimate the lasting effects that the atrocious events
of 9/11 has had on America, the American people and around the world. It
wasn't just the twin towers - it was the Pentagon and the victims on the
'planes.
2,994 died in the WTC and while many were New Yorkers, others were from 40
US States and 36 countries so these dreadful events touched people all
over America and all over the world. People of many faiths, nationalities
and ethnicity. Amazingly, it could have been much worse - there were
40,000 people in the WTC at the time.
256 lost their lives on the four planes, including 25 flight attendants,
8 pilots (and 19 hi-jackers). At the Pentagon, 125 were killed.
It would be trite for us to believe we could ever understand what it must
feel like to have been on the receiving end of those dreadful events, and
to live and work in New york where you daily see the reminder at the site
of the WTC.
However, in the quest for retribution it's vital to go after the right
people but in "the fog of war", that point has, I think, regrettably been
lost. We all deserve better leadership and shouldn't have our loyalties
put to the test in this way. The saving grace is that in the UK it hasn't
damaged our perception of America or the American people -it's our
governments who got it wrong.
Sent as "remarks of a personal character", not made on behalf of any
religious or political organisation, none of which I am, or ever have
been, a member.
73 - David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR
QTH: Cottingham, East Yorkshire.
Message timed: 12:18 on 2004-Sep-17
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