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To : FILM@WW
TO: FILM @WW
FR: VE3WBZ
DT: Wednesday,September 26th.,2012 @ 1158hrs EST <JPST>
Hi Warren and others that...well forced to read all this, from
a couple of old couch potatoes;
<< Quoting KB2VXA to FILM @WW >>
> Please, you're making much more out of the case than there
> ever was.
Don't think so, and since I never have or wanted , or are interested
in viewing this trash, the points I am interested, mostly is
leagal procedure, and well we always could seekout professional
opinion if you want a full couple of pages of the whys or why
nots, and of course international law and how each country sort
of ignores them.
> Filming was done in California so that's where the civil offence
> that went before the judge was heard in a pre-trial evidenciary
> hearing. Since the plaintiff failed to produce evidence the
> case was never tried.
True it seems it was carried on there, in that state. You fail
to see that it crossed the border of that state into another, as
well as Internationally, and while it has been open for view
since early summer of 2012... the riots start now, as well the
troubles, and of course this lady, who claims she was the actress
and in the news that night she states quite clearly, that the
film title and the script were changed and altered to , these
actions in the Utube presentation of ..what 14 minutes, that
sparked all this mess.
What was a California case, is now international. Of course he
or she can not rule on anything. As it sits today, a Canadian
coptic < by accent a recent arrival > here in Toronto is threatened
< A California judge's ruling means nothing here> while Internationally
they seem to be trying to figure it all out, and in the end, it
is a great hope that it will be sorted out in the courts.
> The legal system works one step at a time so if and when a case
> is tried it has already gone through several steps, if it fails
> to meet certain criteria along the way there's no sense wasting
> more time and money on it.
You bet, it crossed the border and now is a Federal case.
It went internaltional and now is looking like heading for the Hague.
> I'm not qualified to comment further on civil matters and only
> from a layman's perspective on criminal matters like extradition
> which seems to be in and out of the news in the case of Julian Asange
> and where he's concerned I'm as confused as everybody else.
This film and case have nothing to do with the above.
> Just the same a suspect is tried at "the scene of the crime" and
> not elsewhere because it's a matter of the state vs.
> (insert defendant here). Don't confuse "state" with a US State,
> rather it refers to "the people of" whatever govorning body is
> involved, county, state, provence, country, whatever.
It is usually outlined in court who the state is, verus the defendent.
> Possibly it would have opened a can of worms and you know that's a
> qualified statement, there are SO many possibilities since names
> and much more always come out in court.
I can appreciate the collection of evidence over a period of time,
and witnesses, and this is why this was so fast and incompete,
and why file in California? OK one thing that is established
is a court record. Sustained or denied...it is there!
The jurisdiction now has to satify all in this case. That has
not been resolved, as Sharia Law, in it feudal way has condemned
whomever. That is if caught.
> Consider an obvious one, under Sharia Law which runs as an
> undercurrent in this country has all involved sentenced to death
> before the fact I have my doubts anyone is willing to risk it
> despite the witness protection program.
I have never asked about Sharia Law as it pertains to this incident
and I guess others. I know it is old, and from ancient days,
fuedal and all that, but keeps things running in their system.
I don't know how extremists view the law, as to those living in
this era, trying to be Islamic, and well other clerics and Mulas
and their religion. I see these people speak on TV, and they
disagree with extremist view of Sharia Law, so I guess ,like
Christianity, we have our extremist Koran burners and haters
the KKK and other cults, as they do.
> It's not like the Secret Service protecting government officials
> and their families for life, they're the only ones worth spending
> such a vast amount of money on, everybody else is expendible.
The secret service protects the President and for after leaving
office a few years to boot. But this has nothing to do with the
film Warren.
> Of course the Pakistani government distanced itself from the
> minister's statements, the US government cringes at the very
> mention of the mames Romney and Ryan. (;->)
Ok interesting joke....but then .... right after the minister
and I did not catch of what department, he seemed to be endorsing
the killing where ever of the director of the UTUBE effort.
>> "But the above didn't belong to the theme ...film."
I see you have lifted what I have been asking here??? What has this
to do with the theme which is the Utube film? Perhaps I
should have left it to HUH @WW
> You lost me with that one,
You loose me with all these twists and topic changes as listed in
thise reply.
> but in any case this whole scenario being linked to 9-11 has
> special significance and SHOUTS to the world the repricussions
> were carefully planned to achieve desired results and they sure
> did. Somebody in a dimly lit smoke filled room said
> "Look what I found, this is DYNAMITE."
I rather then go all 911, link it to the old hate of religion by
another religion, with the series of events leading up to
it being placed on UTUBE....then after a long time, someone
in the Middle East ,sees it, and thinks, hey..this will help
my cause and somehow gets it aired.
How that country could air it ..amazes me, as someone was not
watching to press the kill button on the transmission, knowing
what it would do if shown in the region.
> Right, when it comes to the credit roll who cares? Nobody,
> everybody, even the dumbest camel jockey knows those are
> all professional names between people and the public with
> onion skin layers of corporate disguises in between.
Fact remains, that it is noted to allow procescution.
> That takes us back to a good reason why the civil case was
> never heard, those layers get stripped away in court and
> once the skin is removed the tears start.
>
> "Breakie..."
> Go breakie.
The case wasn't heard, as you stated, and that is funny too
being now it is international.
Even Mr. Obama on the TV show, when asked, hesitated...then
says we should all allow the investigation to take place, so
our actress jumped the gun, going to court, and the judge
of course is going to deny it based upon the DA 's Office
and what is also a Federal case, under investigation, and
gone International now.
> [End of Message #78425 from KB2VXA]
All old stuff really, as Extremists tangle with the
mainline of any religion, and we get Extremist military
commando arms acting for the good of the religion which
doesn't work out for the benefit of all.
JDL, IRA, KKK, and some splinter group churchs and
whatever round out this happy group of people , who
if gain control of a land, make for H on earth.
Our coptic here is now in hiding with a death sentence on
his head. Our film cast and production people will
I hope collect all they can together, and ...well file
what? and Against whom? As they can not even answer
that of even name the defendent? Another reason it
was denied.
Do they have hard copy? No indication.
Do they all even communicate and support each other?
No indication...it seems one went to court...where were the others?
Yesterday on the TV show, Mr. Obama did say one thing... it will
die down. The students revedup into this, will tire, and
these who use crowds to murder and other acts will have to find
other ways.
73 Peter VE3WBZ
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