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Today's Topics:
1. KPC3 power connector size (Doug Ferrell)
2. Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Stephen H. Smith)
3. RE: KPC3 power connector size ('Scott Miller')
4. RE: Is this APRS Spamming ?? ('Scott Miller')
5. Re: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Drew Baxter)
6. Re: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Steve Dimse)
7. Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Robert Bruninga)
8. Re: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Jim Duncan)
9. Re: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Mark Miller)
10. RE: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Robert Bruninga)
11. Re: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Stephen H. Smith)
12. Re: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (kc9umr_at_freqradio.com)
13. Re: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Patrick Green)
14. Re: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Richard Amirault)
15. RE: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Mark Miller)
16. RE: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings ('Scott Miller')
17. RE: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Mark Miller)
18. Re: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Thomas t)
19. RE: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Danny Messano)
20. RE: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Dave Sloan)
21. RE: Is this APRS Spamming ?? ('Scott Miller')
22. Prius (Robert Bruninga)
23. RE: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Robert Bruninga)
24. RE: Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings (Robert Bruninga)
25. Re: Prius (Amir Findling)
26. Re: Prius (Stephen H. Smith)
27. RE: Prius ('Scott Miller')
28. RE: KPC3 power connector size (Doug Ferrell, KD4MOJ)
29. Re: KPC3 power connector size (James Jefferson Jarvis)
30. Voice repeater objects (Robert Bruninga)
31. neat project? (Wes Johnston, AI4PX)
32. RE: Is this APRS Spamming ?? (Robert Bruninga)
33. RE: neat project? (Robert Bruninga)
34. Re: neat project? (Steve Dimse)
35. Re: neat project? (Wes Johnston, AI4PX)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Doug Ferrell <kd4moj_at_kd4moj.org>
Subject: [aprssig] KPC3 power connector size
Greetings:
I have misplaced my notes and need to wire up some KPC3's for an event
this weekend. Does anyone know the size (outside/inside) diameter of the
power connector of the KPC3 (or radio shack part #)? Mucho thanks!
--
....DOUG
KD4MOJ
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:10:41 -0700
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2_at_aol.com>
Subject: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??
I just happened to see this message while monitoring raw packets on
144.39 in Southern California recently
W6HRO>APU25N,W6SCE-10*,qAS,K6KOZ:=3350.70N\11756.53WhHam Radio Outlet
Anaheim {UIV32N}
140003zCOME ON DOWN AND CHECK OUT THE D-STAR ICOMS !
Is this really appropriate content for non-commercial amateur radio
operations?
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
EchoLink Node: 14400 [Think bottom of the 2M band]
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.com --OR-- http://wa8lmf.net
NEW! World Digipeater Map
http://wa8lmf.net/APRSmaps
JavAPRS Filter Port 14580 Guide
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/JAVaprsFilters.htm
"APRS 101" Explanation of APRS Path Selection & Digipeating
http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths
Updated "Rev H" APRS http://wa8lmf.net/aprs
Symbols Set for UI-View,
UIpoint and APRSplus:
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:13:15 -0700
From: "'Scott Miller'" <scott_at_opentrac.org>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] KPC3 power connector size
I'm pretty sure it's 2.1 x 5.5 mm. I can double check when I get home.
[commercial content deleted]
Scott
N1VG
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:18:44 -0700
From: "'Scott Miller'" <scott_at_opentrac.org>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??
>140003zCOME ON DOWN AND CHECK OUT THE D-STAR ICOMS !
>
>Is this really appropriate content for non-commercial amateur radio
>operations?
Wow. I'd say no. Showing the location of the store might be considered a
public service (like how offramp signs list restaurants) but advertising a
specific product and soliciting people to visit the store... that sounds
like it's crossed the line, to me.
Scott
N1VG
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:20:55 -0400
From: Drew Baxter <droobie_at_maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??
As far as I'm concerned that's not acceptable and would definitely violate
the non-commercial nature of amateur radio.
It shows up on FindU as well.
--Droo, K1XVM
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:21:55 -0400
From: Steve Dimse <steve_at_dimse.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??
It isn't spamming, but it sure seems to me that it crosses the commercial
line!
Steve K4HG
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:41:34 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] Dayton Pilgrimage Mobile Settings
Dayton Mobile Settings:
If you like meeting new people on your pilgrimage to Dayton, here are the
recommended settings for 2 VOICE channels.
EVERYONE: 146.52, and 144.39 with CTCSS 100
Monitor 146.52 and find contacts there. But if NOTHING heard, then all the
rest of the time sit on 144.39 CTCSS 100. If there is anyone within
simplex range, you automatically will hear a fractional second tone burst
once every minute or so from their APRS Voice Alert System.
VOICE ALERT: This setting for APRS mobiles TX and RX's with CTCSS 100.
Thus, even though the channel is full of packets, NONE of them have PL 100
except the direct packet from a nearby mobile, not all the digipeted
copies. So if you hear a PL100 packet, then you are not only in SIMPLEX
range, but the other station is in-effect "calling CQ" for anyone else
running voice alert to contact him because he has the volume turned up and
is listening with CTCSS 100 just like you. Just key up, make voice contact
and QSY to 52 (so you are not competing with all the other packets on the
144.39 channel).
Although only APRS mobiles are Transmitting the PL 100 pings, everyone else
can listen for these "pings" alerting you to their presence. Why is this
better than 52? Because it is like an automatic "CQ 52" once a minute.
This guarantees you will be able to make contact even in a passing
situation. On 52, most contacts are ships passing in the night completely
unaware of each other unless everyone is calling CQ every minute the entire
trip. In a crossing situation, you are only in simplex range for about 3
minutes or so (2 miles a minute crossing situation).
By using the automatic APRS Voice Alert system, you can't miss someone.
Come join us.
APRS MOBILE SETTINGS FOR DAYTON: Set your TNC or tracker to the path of
VIA WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1. This will get you out farther than you can talk
though any voice repeater, and should be sufficient. Set your beacon rate
to 1 minute or 2 minutes. No less.
APRS LAPTOP SETTINGS FOR DAYTON: First, let someone else drive so you can
spend the 8 hour trip playing APRS like never before. Use the above path,
but also put whatever Voice channel you are monitoring, make sure that is
included in your POSIT PACKET so that all other APRS mobiles can see what
voice repeater you are monitoring.
SOFTWARE SELECTION AND MILEMARKS: Make sure you use an APRS program that
fully supports the fundamental milemarks and Deadreckoning!
MILE-MARKS: Most mobiles will not have APRS, but ALL of them will know
their position by their milemark. APRS has a built in mile-mark system
that will allow you to place someone you are in QSO with on the map by just
asking them their mile mark, entering the route number and mile mark, and
BINGO you have placed a vehicle object on the map at their location.
Assuming they are headed to Dayton, then you can enter an estimated CSE and
SPEED.
From that point on, that CAR and its object will continue to move on your
APRS map toward Dayton and so even without GPS, you have a good
approximation where that person is. You can AMAZE him by calling him every
half hour or so and mentioning "I see you are approaching Crabtown". "How
can you tell that?" Because I am tracking you with APRS. "But I don't have
APRS". And you answer. "But I do"...
MILEMARKS and Dead Reckoning were fundamental to allow APRS to see the
Tactical Situation around them, INCLUDING all stations participating even
if they don't have APRS. Once you put "joe" on the map moving to Dayton,
ALL OTHER APRS mobiles within 100 miles or more of you will also see JOE on
their maps. And if they have Dead Reckoning Enabled, then Joe should
continue to move on their maps too. You can even enter his frequency in
his object text, so that others know what freq to contct him on. If joe
stops for a rest stop, next time he mentions a milemark, just click and
drag him to the new milemark, and his DR will be updated on everyone else's
map too.
Without Dead Reckoining, the map display of an APRS client is always wrong.
It always shows where things were 1, 3, 5, 10, 30 minuets ago, which is
pretty useless in maintaining "situational awareness"!!! Turn on DR going
to Dayton! And USE MILE MARKS and objects to show us everyone else on the
road in range, not just the APRS folks. APRS was never desigend to be an
end-in-itself, but to be a tool for ALL OF Amateur Radio.
APRS WITHOUT GPS?! Sure, Just hook any-old TNC to your radio and type in
a LAT/LONG posit and CSE and SPEED once eveyr hour or so. All surrounding
APRS stations with DR turned on, will see you move on their screens.
Before the trip, just copy down the approximate lat/long of some key
landmarks about every hour on your route to Dayton. When you pass one,
just type these into your TNC Btext in APR Sformat. Set yoru beacon rate to
once every 2 minutes and your unproto path to APRS VIA WIDE1-1. This will
update your position on evrone's map. And with DR on, you will continue to
move on their maps..
VOICE ALERT WITHOUT APRS?! Sure, anyone can receive voice alert just by
setting CTCSS on 144.39. But you can also PING if you want. Just load
something like ">Joe Enroute Dayton Voice Alert" into the Btext of any old
TNC and set the beacon rate to once every minute, again with CTCSS 100.
Now all APRS people will hear you when they get in simplex range of you and
may call you and you both then can go to 52. Be sure to set your UNPROTO
PATH to "UNPROTO APRS" without any digipeaters, because beyond simplex
range, you are only QRM.
For more details, see this web page:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/VoiceAlert.htm
ALL DIGIPEATER OWNERS: Make sure your digitpeater has the proper settings
for the New-N paradigm. For details see:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/fix14439.html
DIGIS IN DAYTON: Turn off WIDEn-N support except for ONE HOP. This whould
be able to support 150 APRS mobiles which is typial of APRS in Dayton. TO
do this (assuming you have set your digi for New-N above):
1) Set UITRACE to TEMP,30
2) Set UIDIGI ON WIDE1-1
This will cause these digipeaters to digipeat any/all mobiles ONE HOP and
will prevent any outside QRM from coming in.
WATCH FOR RECEOMMENDED VOICE REPEATER FREQUENCEIS ON THE FRONT PANEL OF
YOUR MOBILE APRS RADIO: Many areas are supporting the "New Local Info
Initiative" which transmits local-direct info on the recommended voice
repeater in their area for direct display on the D7, D700 and HamHUD mobile
Displays. See:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/localinfo.html
Hope I got everyting covered. I'll be PASSENGER mobile this year and will
be playing APRS all the way from Maryland to Dayton on Thursday night and
Friday morning.
Bob Bruninga
WB4APR
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