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Today's Topics:
1. Re: aprssig Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18 (Alex Carver)
2. TS2000 SKy Command (Bob Bruninga )
3. Re: Re: aprssig Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18 (Gregg Wonderly)
4. This is a test to see if this computer is working normally
(Charles E. LaMonte)
5. Re: Sky Ccommand... (Stephen H. Smith)
6. Re: Sky Ccommand... (Bob Bruninga )
7. New Tier 2 Server Online (Phillip B. Pacier)
8. digi_ned Kiss Linux (Bill Vodall WA7NWP)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:30:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Carver <agcme2002_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: [aprssig] Re: aprssig Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:42:21 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
>Subject: [aprssig] Sky Ccommand...
>
>7) How do you remotely band change? Just have multiple memories?
Key in a new frequency via VFO control and the TS2000 will switch bands.
Same for the TS-480 (also a Sky Command capable radio but requires a D7 or
D700).
>8) how can you edit out an extra character in a 4
>or 5 character call? There is no SPACE character
>and no DEL button that I can find.
Space is the zero key and delete is the A/B button on the D7.
Now, as for remotely controlling group radios and announcing over APRS and
all that like you mention in your second email...be careful. You and
anyone who provides access to their HF radios via Sky Command will open
themselves up to potential enforcement action via the FCC if you don't
ensure that someone without the proper HF license starts using your radio.
HF privileges are still required to operate the Sky Command controlled HF
station just like they would if you were sitting in front of the HF
station.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:47:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] TS2000 SKy Command
>>7) How do you remotely band change? Just have
>>multiple memories?
>
>Key in a new frequency via VFO control and the TS2000
>will switch bands.
I tried that over and over again, and it would only work if I dialed in a
freq on the same band. Just don't know why it doesnt work for me.
I also just cannt figure out where the initial operating freq comes from.
Since you have to +/- through all the bands when doing set up and end up
with VHF being in MAIN before going to transporter mode, mine always seems
to come up on some 20 meter fequency that does not see to have anything to
do with my A or B VFO's.
>>8) how can you edit out an extra character in a 4
>>or 5 character call? There is no SPACE character
>>and no DEL button that I can find.
>
>Space is the zero key and delete is the A/B button
>on the D7.
Doesn't work for me on the D700. I'm trying to dial in the TRANSPORTER and
COMMANDER calls using the TS-2000 front panel and cannot find any button
anywhere that equals a SPACE. And the DIAL only provides 0-9,A-Z and -. I
can t find a SPACE... The TS-2000 does not have a TTpad microphone and the
TTpad on the front of the radio does not seem to let "0" be a space like
the D7.
Maybe Im missing something.
Bob, Wb4APR
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:20:55 -0600
From: Gregg Wonderly <gregg_at_wonderly.org>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Re: aprssig Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
Alex Carver wrote:
>HF privileges are still required to operate the Sky
>Command controlled HF station just like they would if
>you were sitting in front of the HF station.
The normal requirement is that a control operator be present. If a control
operator is not available, then the station is not meeting part 97
requirements. Despite so many peoples attempts at asserting restrictions,
it is entirely possible for a technician to operate an HF station just as
it is for a general class licensee to operate in the amatuer extra portion
of the bands. At issue is whether the appropriate licensed control
operator is present.
If improper transmissions occur, the transmitting station is responsible
for their actions, and the control operator (this is why they need to be
close by) will need to take appropriate action to stop such transmissions.
Gregg Wonderly
W5GGW
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:01:34 -0500
From: "Charles E. LaMonte" <charlien3vuo_at_gmail.com>
Subject: [aprssig] This is a test to see if this computer is working normally
Salutations and Greetings to all,
This is a test to see if this computer is working normally.
Thank you.
Charlie,n3vuo
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Charles E. LaMonte,n3vuo
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:17:20 -0800
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2_at_aol.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Sky Ccommand...
bruninga_at_usna.edu wrote:
>New learnings about SKYCOMMAND: Neat stuff!
>
>I have a TS-2000 radio at work on HF set to skycomand
>TRANSPORTER mode.
>
>I can have my HT and my D700 and a Laptop running APRSdos all
>acting as COMMANDERS and all display on their screen's the same
>HF radio info no matter who is controlling. I can even use DUMB
>terminal on the APRS packet station and control the HF radio
>too, and my COMMANDER radios are all updated to the new HF radio
>settings.
You're running this on the APRS channel?? I presume the laptop running
APRS is doing it on the APRS channel.
>The packets are simply UI packets sent to the TOCALL of SC2.
Is this changeable? What happens if there are TWO TS-2000s in Sky
Command mode within earshot? (This could very easily happen here where
my 2M simplex range from Pasadena overlooks a line-of-sight population
of over 6 million people.)
>Thus we can have GROUP operations of a REMOTE HF transceiver and
>all can see on the front panels of their radios what is going
>on! Neat! And anyone can listen to the VHF link to hear what
>we are all hearing.
>
>By using the APRS UHF channel of 445.925 (if avaliable in your
>area) and setting a TRANSPORTER callsign of TPTR and mobile
>skycommand calls of CMDR, then any and all mobiles in the area
>can see/command any local SKYCOMMND systems.
I assume you mean any and all D7s and D700s, or are you proposing that some
other kind of dual-band mobile equipped with an external TNC and terminal
program try to emulate Sky Command (perhaps from macros stored in a
terminal program)?
If the latter, the MixW all-mode soundcard programs operating as a PC
soundcard soft TNC would be ideal for this. Connect the radio's 6-pin
MIni-DIN "data/packet" connector to the computer's sound card. In
"Packet" mode, MixW is both a soundcard "soft TNC" AND a basic
send/receive ASCII terminal with separate send and receive windows all in
one. Further, you can define and store a nearly unlimited number of
pre-defined macros that can be sent with chorded keystrokes (i.e.
Alt-Shift-FnX, Alt-Ctrl-FnX, etc). Typically these are used to call CQ,
send canned exchanges during contests, etc, but they could be defined to
send Sky Command sequences instead.
>We willuse PL of 67 to CONTROL the HF rig and PL100 for chatting on the UHF
>backchannel. This way, all an APRS mobile has to do to see if
>anything is going on on SKYcommand is simply QSY his 144.39
>Voice Alert channel to 445.925 and call out. PL is arelady set
>for backchannel voice. And if anyone is listening, they will hear it. Etc...
With the D700 at least, does this mean you could set a couple of PMs, one
with Skycommand mode enabled with one PL in one, and another PM with normal
(non Sky Command) mode and a different PL?
Or can you switch memories on the remote radio while it is in Sky Command
mode (so that you could could store the same frequency with different PL
tones selected in two adjacent memories for fast switching)?
--
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http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/JAVaprsFilters.htm
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http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:06:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Sky Ccommand...
>>I can have my HT and my D700 and a Laptop running APRSdos
>>all acting as COMMANDERS and all display on their
>>screen's the same HF radio info no matter who is
>>controlling.
>
>You're running this on the APRS channel??
No, not at all. Requires a UHF and local VHF channel.
>>packets are simply UI packets sent to SC2.
>
>What happens if there are TWO...SkyCommands ?
There has to be an exact match to the FROM calls on both ends. The TS-2000
will only respond to one call. But you are correct, that if there are two
with overlaping coverage, then they simply need to use different freqs.
They have to do that anyway to avoid QRM between the audio. Their presence
is indicated on the APRS channel by the same kind of object as used to
alert people of other local assets.
>>By using the APRS UHF channel of 445.925 (if avaliable in
>>your area) and setting a TRANSPORTER callsign of TPTR and
>>mobile skycommand calls of CMDR, then any and all mobiles
>>in the area can see/command any local SKYCOMMND systems.
>
>I assume you mean any and all D7s and D700s, or are you
>proposing that some other kind of dual-band mobile
>equipped with an external TNC and terminal program try to
>emulate Sky Command (perhaps from macros stored
>in a terminal program)?
Yes, any D7 or D700 can do SkyCommand by a simple MENU push. But also any
PACKET station can also do it, without any special hardware or software.
All someone needs to do to remotely control a SkyCommand system is:
1) Put your TNC on a UHF radio for sending and receiving the frequency and
mode info and for sending reomte cmmands for SkyCommand. If your packet
program or APRS does not have the built-in macros for sending the
SkyCommand commands, you can manually type them with a gouge-sheet. You
can also read the SkyCOmmand responses with a seasoned EYE. Something like
0000014070301000000000203040000 turns out to be the frquency of 14.070.300
Hz. etc... you can also see the mode and A/B memory, etc by knowing where
to look.
2) a 2 meter monitor receiver for listening to the SkyCommand audio from
the remote HF system.
3) to TK your mic through to the HF system, simply key the UHF radio with
the SkyCOmmand PL ON.
>If the latter, the MixW all-mode soundcard programs
>operating as a PC soundcard soft TNC would be ideal for
>this. Connect the radio's 6-pin MIni-DIN "data/packet"
>connector to the computer's sound card.
Yes, way back when SkyCommand first came out in 1998, I proposed to all
authors that SKYCOMMAND should be added to all APRS programs, but the
legalities of all the nay-sayers at the time was an issue... now that
legal bickering is over and it is time to get on with SkyCommand Community
HF remotes at good sites with good antennas! If for no other reason, than
emergency preparedness to bring HF to the emergency desk top where you
might need it most.
>With the D700 at least, does this mean you could set a
>couple of PMs, one with Skycommand mode enabled with
>one PL in one, and another PM with normal (non Sky Command)
>mode and a different PL?
Not even a PM, just a memory. But then you have to exit and re-enter sky
command mode to change. I havent figured out a workaround for that yet.
Once SKY command mode is set in the D7 or D700, and even if you cycle
power, you only have to putsh one button to re-enter skycommand.
>Or can you switch memories on the remote radio while it is
>in Sky Command mode
I havent found a way yet...
But there is sure lots of potential to explore!
Bob, Wb4APR
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