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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Rant - Cross platform portability (Brian Riley)
2. Re: APRS Link (John Habbinga)
3. Re: APRS Link (wa7nwp_at_jnos.org)
4. Re: Rant - Cross platform portability (Stephen H. Smith)
5. Re: APRS Link (John Habbinga)
6. Re: APRS Link (wa7nwp_at_jnos.org)
7. APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (John Habbinga)
8. Re: APRS Link (John Habbinga)
9. followup on Rant about cross platform (Jim Lux)
10. Re: Rant - Cross platform portability (Brian Riley)
11. RE: APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (Andrew Rich)
12. Re: APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (John Habbinga)
13. Re: APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (Joel Maslak)
14. Re: APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (John Habbinga)
15. Re: APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (Joel Maslak)
16. Re: APRS over D-STAR (was APRS Link) (John Habbinga)
17. RE: APRS Link (Robert Bruninga)
18. Re: APRS Link (John Habbinga)
19. Re: APRS Link (wa7nwp_at_jnos.org)
20. New Kenwood radio? (Bob Burns K4RXR)
21. RE: New Kenwood radio? (Alan P. Biddle)
22. Re: New Kenwood radio? (Brian Riley)
23. RE: New Kenwood radio? (scott_at_opentrac.org)
24. RE: New Kenwood radio? (Robert Bruninga)
25. Re: New Kenwood radio? (Mike Nettles)
26. Re: New Kenwood radio? (Dale Blanchard)
27. RE: New Kenwood radio? (scott_at_opentrac.org)
28. RE: New Kenwood radio? (Bob Burns K4RXR)
29. RE: New Kenwood radio? (Jason Rausch)
30. Re: followup on Rant about cross platform (Gregg Wonderly)
31. Re: New Kenwood radio? (Larry McDavid)
32. RE: New Kenwood radio? (Cap Pennell)
33. RE: Rant - Cross platform portability (Dave Baxter)
34. APRS to NMEA (Andrew Rich)
35. Re: APRS to NMEA (Wes Johnston, AI4PX)
36. RE: APRS to NMEA (scott_at_opentrac.org)
37. RE: APRS to NMEA (Curt, WE7U)
38. RE: APRS to NMEA (scott_at_opentrac.org)
39. APRSKML 0.90 released (Gregg Wonderly)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:03:40 -0400
From: Brian Riley <brianbr_at_mac.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Rant - Cross platform portability
'typical amateur radio software user'..... hooooooeeeeyyyyyyy....
that was a mouthful... said sub-class of population encompasses
techno-dinosaurs
hi-tech luddites
gen-u-wine geniuses
ordinary people
...
...
... and so on...
I wouldn't want to begin to try to make that comparison. All I will commit
to is that the pool of Limewire users contains a lot of every-day-joe
appliance operators who don't know, nor do they care to know how it works
(nor should they need to!) they just want it to work... and it does!
Limewire installs, it verifies if you have the JRE, if not it goes and gets
it and installs it, then installs itself... all... "Look,Ma, No hands!"...
just sit back and watch it do its thing.
---
cheers... 73 de brian riley, n1bq, underhill center, vermont
On Sep 18, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Rich Mulvey wrote:
>Brian Riley wrote:
>
>>I would point out the LimeWire is a java app and its distribution
>>to 'clueless end-users' is both enormous and quite successful.
>>
>I'll have to take your word on that, but my first reaction would
>be to wonder if the typical LimeWire user falls into the same
>demographic as the typical Amateur Radio software user. I'm
>guessing not. ;-)
>
>- Rich
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:06:24 -0500
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Link
On 9/18/06, Herb Gerhardt <hgerhardt_at_wavecable.com> wrote:
>This APRSLink feature is really a nice feature but keep in mind, that it
>should not be used when you have other means of accessing your Winlink
>email. This is especially true in the high APRS usage areas which don't
>need the additional traffic but when there is no other means of accessing
>the Winlink email, it sure does come in handy.
I'm not using it with APRS. I'm using it with D-STAR and I certainly
don't use it in leu of regular email.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:12:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: wa7nwp_at_jnos.org
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Link
>I'm not using it with APRS. I'm using it with D-STAR and I certainly
>don't use it in leu of regular email.
But D-Star is just "TCP" so why would you need APRSlink instead of Outlook,
Airmail or Paclink. It would be a good "You've got mail" tool.
Bill
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:36:57 -0700
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2_at_aol.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Rant - Cross platform portability
aprs_at_mulveyfamily.com wrote:
>Brian Riley wrote:
>
>>I would point out the LimeWire is a java app and its distribution to
>>'clueless end-users' is both enormous and quite successful.
I have recently had a chance to see the same version of a large
graphics-intensive application written in Java work on two different
platforms at the same time. This experience has now made me a believer
that "real" complex programs (not just frivolous "widgets" on Web pages)
can be written, and made portable, in Java.
Imaginova's "Starry Night" bills itself as "The world's most realistic
astronomy program". It is a very sophisticated photo-realistic sky
map/planetarium program that lets you see the night sky for anywhere on
earth any time in the previous or future 10,000 years. It accurately
reflects daylight, sunset, fades into twilight and finally dark in real
time (or you can "turn off" the sun to see the stars in the daytime sky).
Optional controls allow you to add haze, smog and urban light pollution to
the view (reducing the number of stars visible).
It allows you to see the sky from any body in the solar system. (You can
even pilot a space ship at "warp speed" throughout and beyond the galaxy
with correct perspective view.) When you place yourself on the moon, you
actually see the earth with the correct part of the world facing you with
the correct day/night grey line display. It also accounts for a vast list
of satellites and space probes. From the normal earth view, you can "see"
geosynchronous satellites such as Echostar (Dish Network) and Rock 'n Roll
(XM Radio) stationary in your southern sky while GPS, Iridium, US and
Russian spy satellites, the space station, Sirius Radio, and Oscars slowly
drift across the sky in real time. [I added the Keps for PCsat so I can
see it also when it passes over.] When you zoom in close enough on
planets, the point objects become visible disks (they're actual
photographs) showing the correct phase) with their moons circling in real
time. Mars Gobal Explorer and Mars Express actually show up circling Mars,
and Cassini shows up around Saturn. A recent Internet-download update has
even added the New Horizons/Kuiper Express probe. Weekly Internet
downloads update the satellite data to correct for atmospheric drag,
gravitational perturbations, etc.
You can turn on or off three different overlaid coordinate systems on the
sky view (local AZ/EL:, RA/Declination, and Ecliptic), As you hover you
mouse over any of 25,000 plus objects in the sky, a detailed list of
information about that object pops up, including it's current
RA/Declination out to 6 decimal places, updated several times a second. The
program can even control telescopes with ASCOM-compatible computer
interfaces. Just click on an object in the on-screen sky view, and the
telescope will be moved to that object in the real sky.
I have installed and run Starry Night on several PCs. This is a huge
program (mostly the photo-realistic graphics and databases I assume) that
installs from a set of THREE CD-ROMs. For the first time last week, I
watched a friend install it on a Mac. The CD ROM is billed as a dual
PC/Mac install. I had assumed that there were two completely different file
systems on the CD, one showing up to Windows and a separate one, with a
different version of the program visible under the Mac OS's. [A number of
programs with both Windows and Mac versions are distributed this way.]
Instead, I was amazed to see the very same compressed archives that
unpacked and installed on the PC, unpack and run with an absolutely
identical presentation on a Mac G4. (The only difference was a
different un-archiver/installer utility that is apparently written in
native Mac code -- don't know if it would run on the new Intel-based Mac --
perhaps the Intel-based installer can run on both PCs and Intel Macs) The
program does require as a prerequisite, on both platforms, that Java2
Runtime 1.5 and QuickTime 6.x or higher be present.
As befits a truly portable program, Starry Night does not get entangled
with the Windows Registry, shared DLLs and system files, etc. It is
completely self-contained (except for the Java and Quicktime Runtimes). I
copied it over my LAN from one PC to another without benefit of a formal
install, and it worked perfectly on the second machine.
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
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