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G8MNY  > TECH     07.04.10 11:18l 76 Lines 3641 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Read: GUEST DG9NBR OE7FMI
Subj: Old Venner Counter Type TSA3334
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Sent: 100406/2224Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EU #:52498 [Caterham] $:52498_GB7CIP
From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EU
To  : TECH@WW

By G8MNY                                    (New Apr 10)
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I have been investigating how a very old 1MHz Frequency Counter/Timer works.
It is all done with Germanium PNPs & no ICs! And it uses 4 large 3cm Projected
Numbers for the display.

 旼컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴�
 �  ____________          �    �       Frequency Range 1Hz-1.4MHz �1 count.
 � � O  O  O  O �   /~\      � �       Time Period     0.1uS-99.99mS
�� � O  O  O  O �  �   �       틥      Count           0-9999 repeating
볐 읕컴컴컴컴컴켸   \_/        낳      Ref Output      100kHz
볐               � �    �  O O 낳      Supply 115/230V or 12V dc (+ case!)
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SCHEMATIC
        旼컴컴커旼컴컴커     旼컴커       旼컴컴컴커               旼컴컴컴컴�
Input훟/큁reamp척Buffer쳐� 旼퀶ate쳐커 旼캑1s Count쳐컴컴컴컴컴컴컴�0-9 Meter�
      o 읕컴컴켸읕컴컴켸 � � 읕컫켸  � �  읕쩡쩡컴켸               읕컴컴컴컴�
  Test�                  | |    |    | |    � 쿚verflow
      �   -------------Mode Switch------- -캑 넬컴컴컴컴�          旼컴컴컴컴�
      �   |   |     |     | |     |     | | � 윱10 Count쳐컴컴컴컴캑0-9 Meter�
Ref<컴좔헦B  TB    TB    TB �    TB    TB � �  읓컫컴컴켸          읕컴컴컴컴�
        �     �     �     � �     �     � � 쳐컴� 쿚verflow
旼컴컴커넬컴커넬컴커넬컴커� 넬컴커넬컴커� � �     넬컴컴컴컴커     旼컴컴컴컴�
�100kHz쳅덕10쳅덕10쳅덕10쵬 윱�10쳅덕10쵬 � �     윱100 Count쳐컴컴�0-9 Meter�
� Osc  � �10k� � 1k� �100�   �10 � �1Hz�  � �      읓컫컴컴컴�     읕컴컴컴컴�
읕컴컴켸 읕컴� 읕컴� 읕컴�   읕컴� 읕컴�  � 쳐컴컴컴� 쿚verflow
                                          � �         넬컴컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커
                     旼컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴커 � �         윱1000 Count척0-9 Meter�
                     쿏isplay Hold Timer쳐� 쿝esets    읓컴컴컴컴켸읕컴컴컴컴�
                     읕컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴켸   읕컴컴컴컴컴�
WHO IT WORKS
The Mode Switch can rearrange the units to count continuously, Gated with a
TimeBases for Frequency or count a TimeBase gated with the input for Periods.

The display timer (Manual or about 2 seconds) starts the process off, clears
down the counters & enables the timer gate.

The Counter & Divider circuits use 3 transistor bistables as binary counters, 
that are wired to reset @ 10 & overflow to the next counter/divider.

Each digit display has a meter with number shadow mask & lamp. The DC drive for
these use 3 resistor (68k 34k & 17k) from each binary stage of the counter
output, such that the meter current represents the number 0-9 counted. External
presets are used to scale & zero each meter (0 & 9 test buttons provided).

For Period measurement, it rewires the units, to counts the 100kHz & uses the
last 2 �10s fed from the input frequency, to give of the input gates of 1x 10x
or 100x that period. This results in measurements of 10x 1x 0.1x in uS.

PSU
This is -7.5V for the electronics & a raw -10V regulated for the 4 lamps.

IN USE 
Despite being very old it still all works & is very easy to read. The 4 Digit
readout might seem to be a limitation, but overflow counting is possible. So to
measure say 1.250895MHz you 1st read the 1250kHz & then alter the range to see
the 0895Hz.

For low frequencies like CTCSS tones, were 1/10 of Hz resolution is needed,
then Period measurement comes into its own.


See other tech buls "Watson 'Hunter' Counter Mods", "PIC Freq Counter Mods",
"198kHz Off Air Standard", & "Off Air Lock for Ref Osc."


Why Don't U send an interesting bul?

73 De John, G8MNY @ GB7CIP


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