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G8MNY > TECH 02.07.05 17:35l 123 Lines 5234 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
BID : 52629_GB7CIP
Read: GUEST OE7FMI
Subj: Y Extended ASCII graphics
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Sent: 050702/1508Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EU #:52629 [Caterham] $:52629_GB7CIP
From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EU
To : TECH@WW
Hi Readers, (Updated Feb 05)
Most of the TECH bulletins use 8 bit graphics. If you suspect your SYSOP is
using 7 bit links have a word.
The international ASCII extended graphics set is called CODE PAGE 437 or CODE
PAGE 850 on PC systems & IBM/PC compatible standard on non PC systems,
eg. Linux/Mac OS/Dumb Terminal etc.
VIEWING EXTENDED 8 BIT GRAPHICS
Ú¿
[] = ÀÙ, | = ³, - = Ä, Ts = Â ´Ã Á, Ohm = ê, Degree = ø, +/- = ñ
ALT 218 191 179 196 194 180 195 193 234 248 241
KEY 192 217 (not all C/Pages)
If you're not seeing graphics similar to the characters above make sure your
TNC has PARAM 8 Bit = ON, & that your PCs terminal/client software is set up to
view with a suitable character set often called the FONT SET! (FONT should mean
the character shape/style/size, rather than the character ASCII mapping set as
modern software often uses the word.) Also don't use justify or variable
spacing when viewing or printing, as this screws up the drawings!
(Unfortunately for radio work Lambda is not available, Best Try ",\" )
From G0SYR..
"It is still difficult to exchange drawings efficiently so that everyone can
view them. Which ever format is chosen it immediately restricts the number of
people that can view them and John chooses to send them as he does so that
the maximum number of stations can view them on a variety of systems and yet
keeps the file size to a minimum for transmission over radio."
"Even viewing/printing John's extended graphics drawings can be tricky for
some to find a suitable font on modern machines."
"For anyone using Win98 (and probably earlier versions) and having problems
'seeing' drawings from G8MNY's TECH series try loading them into NOTEPAD and
using TERMINAL font."
PRINTING
The same goes for printing, if you can see the graphics on your screen OK, but
cannot print it correctly, then your printer software setup is WRONG!
See the various footnotes for all your software & hardware products to work
properly together. (this is no mean task!)
eg. what printer driver programme & versions & patches are correct for your..
1/ operating system,
2/ terminal/client software mode,
3/ printer make & model
4/ printer emulation package & mode settings etc,
Or spend a few hours on the various supplier helplines!
Another approach is to screen dump a diagram to a Bitmap file .BMP & import
that into a paintbox to print.
FORMATS OTHER THAN ASCII for DIAGRAMS
CAD options
I use Orcad myself for proper drawings, but unless you have the same make of
software, version No, & identical large library files, the small data files
are useless. This goes for all Cad programmes.
Most cad programmes are not pan platform... LINUX / APPLE MAC / MS DOS 3/4/5/6
/WINDOWS 3/95/98/2000/WINXP. Most need Binary file send (7+ for packet BBSs)
except "FidoCad". But if you use specialist (PRIVATE) coded programmes to make
data files, this may be considered illegal by some Ham Radio Regulators!
BBS SYSOPs are required to vet all the bulletin content on their systems, so
any messages that are too difficult to vet on the host machine (eg LINUX),
may just get deleted rather than vetted !
GRAPHIC files
JPEG, PCX, BMP, GIF etc.
Although these are available on most platforms they need binary send, & most
files are very large & have to be split into many 7+ files. These soon jam up
the small bandwidth available on Packet. eg. a 3K text & ASCII diagram bul,
was 3x 10K data buls without the associated text, but the diagram did look a
bit better.
Also if any 7+ part goes missing or corrupts over the BBS multi hops the whole
thing is useless & becomes a waste of space, as any single part missing the
whole is NOT decodable. (I know you can generate error reports etc. but it is
slow for many readers to do this to the originator, not all SPs get through).
Again these formats could carry "dirty" pictures etc. SYSOPs also must vet
these on their systems, so these can often just get deleted of the BBS!
CONCLUSION
From the above, I conclude that the best packet friendly format for text
bulletins with drawings, for the widest international readership, is ONLY the
8 bit Extended ASCII graphics set.
In a graphics 7+ format my 154 TECH files averaging about 4k each, would be
turned into 700 9K files! So using these 7+ data formats may be considered
greedy & inefficient & inconsiderate to other BBS users.
K.I.S.S. is the best option for most, immediately viewable for most readers
with only a small % needing to view in another programme.
By using ASCII the result should be a VERY compact file ideal for Packet &
easy for your SYSOP to check & vet before releasing. And it will be quick &
easy to read on many platforms & in any language....
Date/Time : 12-Oct 22:36 2004
Title : hello
From: LW5DIX@LW6EVE.#1661.BA.ARG.SA
To : G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EU
name javier qra lw5dix
qth argentina
tex is spinif
amigo muy buena los informes de tecnica
me gustaria si tiene web ok
saludos
73 y dx
(it's just the text that's not international!)
Why don't U send an interesting bul?
73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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