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Hi Andy,
Thank you for your input.
Andy, GM7HUD wrote:-
quite sensibly...
> The vast majority of Westerns made by Hollywood were filmed in Monument > Valley which is in Arizona
and Utah. The Trinity Test site was in New > Mexico. Now if we consider
the time line that most Westerns were made in > the 40's, 50's and 60's
and that the USA was still setting off above > ground tests till the late
50's and underground tests long after that do > you seriously think they'd
be allowing Hollywood dudes (especially with > all of McCarthy's Hollywood
Red's) into a the prime test area for the > bomb? Come on the cold war was
at it's peak and nobody, but nobody was > going to allow civilians,
especially civilians with cameras into a > > nuclear test range!
>
>
I can not argue with that logic Andy, indeed do not wish to. All I look
for are truthful answers and it may well be the case that the story heard
was totally untrue. If so, then I am guilty of extending it's life! ;(((((
Usually, I try to place some form of "disclaimer" as to the veracity of
such tales which I may disseminate, but did not think to in that
particular case as I had always considered it to have merit and based on
fact. It was even spoken of after Wayne died in a documentary on his life.
Your comments make good sense. Now I have doubts about what was broadcast
not once, but several times in different documentary programmes!
I know that that area (The Monument Valley skyline is quite famous because
of filming there) was the popular, if not main, setting for the western
genre films, as it also was for some of the Star Trek series, but I am NOT
familiar with where ALL of the test sites were so could not really
question it at the time.
It may be the case that a part of the (Vast) area WAS used once? I do not
know. I was repeating what was said at the time and although I too thought
about some of the points that you have written, it made sense at the time.
It was also possibly the case that some films were done at other sites
which had been used for dumping perhaps, (?) or another explanation is
possible which I do not know of. They were certainly unsure of the total
and terrible consequences of what they did, evidenced by remarks made on
camera when they exploded one of them. (This may have been at the Trinity
site?). I believe that one scientist (Oppenheimer?) said something on the
lines of "What have I done" when he saw the mushroom cloud never mind the
results.
Fine on the Communist scenario, but do you really think that they would
(have) care\d all that much if some actors DID take some cancerous
materials home. In the main, I have found, MANY companies treat their
employees as expendable. Perhaops not quite THAT expendable but no jobs
are safe in that respect. If they KNEW the risks, and had made great
investments in individuals, then fine, but if they did not, then I am
quite sure that they would not go overboard stop such activity if they
were in such an area of potential danger. An instance of this is in what a
chap once told me many years ago, when he (Professionally) visited a
certain "censored to protect individuals", where men WITHOUT masks were
cleaning certain specific areas. When he asked why that was, the chap said
"They are only locals", implying that it did not matter. Cynical attitudes
like that tell a hidden and mainly untold story.
One can never hear all rebuttals to such stories of course, either at the
time, or later, and so one is left with uncertainty until the entire truth
of a particular matter is disclosed and disseminates down to those who are
interested. That is the best reason in the world for NOT making a decision
unless BOTH sides of a scenario are heard. Yours is the first sensible
disagreement of that story that I have heard which does makes it look
false. I often hear tales which are interesting, but do not always find
out the final results which explain them. These leave one slightly
frustrated.
One must also wonder how far the nuclear clouds (How many did they
actually test above ground. Do you know? I do not) may have been
dispersed. I do not imagine that it all stayed in New Mexico for instance
and it could well have been dispersed widely by weather conditions. Now
they do it underground, but before that they apparently had to choose a
day when wind was virtually dead or risk atmospheric dispersal far and
wide.
In Australia for instance, I am aware of some of the testing done there. A
friend was in the Royal Navy during those tests. He was told to face away
from the blast (Which I presumed was on land) towards the ship's side
(They were some way off-shore) and as it went off, he held his hands up in
front of him and states that he saw through his own hands as a "skeleton"
would look. Assuming that he told no lies, and I do not think that he did,
then presumably this was through X-radiation. I do not know the actual
possibilities so must only repeat other's comments. Afterwards, they were
told to look toward the blast area.
On the land, (In the Bikini Atoll test the island was totally vacant
during the test as far as I know? I supposed this to be somewhere in the
Australian desert) I have seen documentary footage which showed many
soldiers in trenches who stood up to watch the blast, those with goggles,
the others later, and they actually stood with their mouths wide open (I
was quite flabbergasted at this apparent stupidity as although it was
"untested", I had expected better than that) as the blast whipped past
them entirely covering them in dust which WOULD have entered their mouths.
I wonder how many of those individuals died a painful death long before
their time should have come. Certainly my friend's ship's yearly
get-togethers were decimated each year rather more quickly than was
thought normal. When the Bikini Atoll tests were made, I understand that
many villagers were out at sea fishing and were caught in the ensuing
cloud of that test. Somany tales of that ilk including the above have been
mooted that it appears to me that the government WISHED to see what effect
it may have on their "captive" forces who MIGHT have been used as guinea
pigs, as the Japanese were in gas tests in Manchurioa was it? I forget
now.
This Western tale may well be total garbage but other incidents such as I
have mooted DID happen as far as I can be certain. I wonder if the desert
area in Australia is inhabited now and how long the life was of those test
explosions residues. Not that long ago, I saw pictures in National
Geographic which showed an island down there (I believe that it was Bikini
Atoll) so many decades after it had been totally abandoned due to the
testing. He dove into the lagoon and took beautiful pictures of the
colourful underwater "flora" and fish. He said that it was clear then. For
myself? Personally, I would not take that chance! This is all my opinion
of course and is not guaranteed to be true etc. etc. etc.
If I have time to pursue this further, I shall try make some effort to
find out more about it. Thank you again. I believe that I shall expand
this from GBR to WW in order to see what those in OZ might have to say on
the subject as i am interested in the opinion of those "on the ground" so
to speak. Even those on "Ground Zero"! Regards.
73 - Jeff, G4XNH @ GB7YKS
Brightraven94@Hotmail.com
Interests. Historical research, dowsing and reading.
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