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will compile a version that is designed to do TCP/IP and not PBBS or Gateway
stuff.
I still have my old no-hard-disk laptop with which I ran JNOS as a
bbs for a short time. I discovered 740 Kbytes makes for few messages saved!
But it did work...
>
>Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:16:43 -0700 (MST)
>From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@primenet.com>
>Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
>
>Charles' latest message is way too long to quote, but I would like to make
>a few points in the interest of getting this group back on track.
>
>One of the biggest features of *NOS is also one of its biggest problems.
>By adding pseudo-BBS capabilities, it is trying to compete in the wrong
>market, non-tcp/ip operation. This is a great way to get beginners
>familiar with some of the advantages of tcp/ip, but in reality a tcp/ip
>network consists of linking together a series of tcp/ip hosts.
Exactly.
>
>By connecting via ax.25 to a *NOS station and reading a group of messages
>(which are at least sorted into areas, unlike most BBS software, one is
>doing BBS-style communications, not tcp/ip.
Agree. A real TCP/IP network has no "Central Server". There might be
a Ham who's JNOS is used as a router for others, but this works fine and
nothing is stored on the router's computer, it just passes through.
>
>In tcp/ip, messages are delivered directly to the end user's computer and
>a mail agent is used to read/compose. We should be encouraging end users
>to be running some form of tcp/ip software, rather than connecting to a
>local node. Encouraging the use of a simplified form of NOS (which can
>easily be created by not compiling in all the features) or even NOS's
>predecessor NET, might be a way to accomplish this. The addressees of a
>message would have it delivered directly to their own station, instead of
>having to log in somewhere else to read their mail.
As I said above I think it is possible to make the version of JNOS
that does that. I am no longer using JNOS. I have Linux as an operating
system and with the additional software AX25-tools and AX25-utilities I have
been able to make my Linux act like a TCP/IP system. I do send smtp to w5raf
using PINE as the mailer and "sendmail" doing the rest, and do send and
receive from JNOS with success. FTP also works, of course.
>
>An unfortunate side-effect of all the "featurism" is that what once ran
>efficiently on a 8086 cpu now requires a Pentium in some cases, although
>the Pentiums of today are much less expensive than the XTs of 1985. But
>we have probably all seen what happens to throughput when a cpu is
>underpowered for the networking demands placed upon it.
I hope to show that the very latest JNOS can be compiled to still
run on a 8086 cpu.
>
>Bob
>
>----
>Bob Nielsen Internet: nielsen@primenet.com
>Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: w6swe@w6swe.ampr.org
> AX.25: w6swe@wb7tls.az.usa.noam
> http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
One thing that is true, is that many Hams have tried TCP/IP but few
stay with it or find it useful. The challange is to have information and
software available via ax25 tcp/ip that others will enjoy getting. I fail in
this area too. We need to talk about ideas on what to do.
73, de Karl aka k5di
Karl F. Larsen Box 74, Mesilla Park, NM 88047 (505) 524-3303
k5di@k5di.cruces.nm.usa.noam k5di@acca.nmsu.edu
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:33:17 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: TCP/IP
According to: Karl F. Larsen <k5di@acca.nmsu.edu>
>snip<
> As I said above I think it is possible to make the version of
JNOS
> that does that. I am no longer using JNOS. I have Linux as an operating
> system and with the additional software AX25-tools and AX25-utilities I
have
> been able to make my Linux act like a TCP/IP system. I do send smtp to
w5raf
> using PINE as the mailer and "sendmail" doing the rest, and do send and
> receive from JNOS with success. FTP also works, of course.
Karl kinda forgot to mention that he runs F6FBB BBS for LINUX as well. He's
an "Amateur Telephone" operator, one of those "hams" who are currently
giving amateur TCP/IP a bad name by actively working to destroy the Amateur
Packet Radio network.
How does this happen? "LandLine Lids" take delight in emplacing Internet
or telephone links within the Amateur Packet Radio network, which is
designed of course to operate with Radios. They "route around" the radio
links, be they BBS forwarding, VHF/UHF networks, AMSAT, PACTOR, CLOVER, and
any other Amateur Radio digital mode used for communications. By "routing
around" Ham Radio digital communications with the telephomne, these "hams"
deprive those Ham stations of their traffic, and eventually get a real
"rush" when they see those stations shut down.
Example: An HF PACTOR station in Memphis, TN forwards BBS messages with
another HF station in Atlanta, GA. Now, in both cities an "Internet
Forwarder" sets up shop, routing Packet Radio messages over the Internet.
The Internet is faster than Amateur Radio of course, so when the PACTOR
forwarders offer to move a message, they discover that it's already there,
routed around them on the Telephone. Soon, both PACTOR stations shut down,
as there is no longer anything foir them to forward.
This is how scum like Karl destroy the Amateur Radio network, and give
amateur TCP/IP a bad name.
He's a "LandLine Lid", not an honorable or decent Amateur Radio Operator.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
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Date: Fri, 23 May 97 10:40:39 MET DST
From: iw1cfl@ik1xht.ampr.org
Subject: Yeah, I have Nos runnin on a 286!
I'm also normally use a Nos compile for 80186, with netrom,
lzw, smtp, ftp, nntp, and mini-bbs (w/o mail capability)
and with only 640 K works great!
I suppose I can do an 8086 compile, as i was doing when using
an XT in the shack... now unused beacuse the floppy interface
looks burnt...
Anyone likes my autoexec.nos/config.h?
73
Mike
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Michele Debandi - IW1CFL - Universita` di Torino
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AMPRnet iw1cfl@ik1xht.ampr.org - iw1cfl@iw1cfl.ampr.org [44.134.128.73]
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