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inflexible and technically not very sophisticated but at least the the BBS
network delivers messages!
Sorry to be so negative, but I see major problems. If IP is to succeed on
the radio it needs to be easy to install and configure, offer at least the
same applications as available via other means and preferably more, and
work as well or better as other protocols and networks.
Jeff, k9ja
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Date: Thu, 22 May 97 16:52:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
Bob Nielsen wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
BN> Charles' latest message is way too long to quote
Thanks.
BN> In tcp/ip, messages are delivered directly to the end user's
BN> computer and a mail agent is used to read/compose. We
BN> should be encouraging end users to be running some form of
BN> tcp/ip software, rather than connecting to a local node.
The first question nearly everyone asks about Amprnet TCP/IP is "Do I have to
leave my computer on 24 hours?" Then we explain about POP servers, and they
are very relieved. However, this reintroduces BBS-style store-and-forward
functionality. Most private users of the commercial Internet use POP mail,
and
very few are fully connected these days.
BN> An unfortunate side-effect of all the "featurism" is that
BN> what once ran efficiently on a 8086 cpu now requires a
BN> Pentium in some cases, although the Pentiums of today are
BN> much less expensive than the XTs of 1985. But we have
BN> probably all seen what happens to throughput when a cpu is
BN> underpowered for the networking demands placed upon it.
I can't imagine why people still use DOS at all, let alone to host a BBS.
OS/2
has been around for quite a while, and most of the Amprnet software has been
carefully tuned to work with it. Linux seems to be wave of the future.
-- Mike
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:18:41 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
According to: Dave Maciorowski <wa1jhk@ix.netcom.com>
<snip>
> We view our TCP network as the backbone for many other services. We
> carry BBS store-and-forward traffic, telnets to remote BBSs, Convers,
etc.
The "backbone" Dave is talking about here is the Telephone,. None of the
above functions are "Amateur Radio", and should not be advertised as such.
Stations which forward BBS messages over the Intertnet this way take the
Amateur Packet Radio net's RF "backbone", and replace it with utter
dependence upon the telephone. A great step backwards for Amateur Radio.
These are the kind of stations which are currently giving amateur TCP/IP a
bad name, and who's anti-ham-radio activities are fuelling the current
controversy.
> ARES uses the system to access their database server. We are planning to
> add APRS gateway services to connect 145.79 ports and Mic-E-equipped
voice
> repeaters around the state.
Are the Mic-E equipped voice repeaters the ones which are linked together
by TELEPHONE? If so, I'm not surprised.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
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Date: Thu, 22 May 97 14:56:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: Geographical subnetting
iw1cfl wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
i> Then I got an idea: if i subdivide our area in class C
i> network geographically and then start assigning new
i> addresses tho these new subnets, is a good idea?
i> And modifying assigned address to be consistent with new
i> subdivision, is a good idea?
i> Someone might say I can use RSPF, but firs of all on a
i> The-net it won't run, and in every case is not a good idea
i> to have tons of routes (especially on x1j).
RSPF is designed to propagate exceptions, not to correct for situations where
all routes are exceptions. The proper fix is subnetting, as you suggest.
However, making subnets follow geography is not necessarily the best
situation.
What you really want is to make subnets follow topology. Coincidence between
geography and topology is common, but not required.
In general, you should make each group of directly connected hosts -- each LAN
-- into a defined subnet, and each LAN should have a defined gateway or set of
gateways by which it can route into other LANs.
You can also use conjoint routing, where you have several levels of subnet.
For example, you can have four 18-bit subnets within a 16-bit subnet, and you
can have eight 21-bit subnets within an 18-bit subnet. This may be useful for
distinguishing different LANs on the same router, such as one on 144 MHz and
one on 440 MHz, or for allocating to small routers which are subsidiary to
larger ones.
-- Mike
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:18:10 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <k5di@acca.nmsu.edu>
Subject: jn111x7 JNOS
As I said I would do, a subject version was made for a 88186 cpu
since that is what my laptop has, and when done it compiled without a
warning and after pkzip got done it's 200kbytes. I put it on a 740 k floppy
and ran it on the laptop. Everything appears to work. It has all the tcp/ip
features compiled in and all the pbbs features out. All it needs is a TNC
and radio for a new station.
And a lot of autoexec.nos re-write...hi
73, de Karl aka k5di
Karl F. Larsen Box 74, Mesilla Park, NM 88047 (505) 524-3303
k5di@k5di.cruces.nm.usa.noam k5di@acca.nmsu.edu
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:56:45 +1000
From: Dave Walmsley <ccdrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
Subject: Listsever problem?
Hi,
is anyone else having the probelm I'm seeing?
I'm subscribed to the digest, but seem to be also getting the raw list. I
sent an unsub and the listserver responded that I was not subscribed!!
What can I do?
Dave
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Dave Walmsley Email: ccdrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Manager, Infrastructure Team
Information and Education Services Division Phone: (61) (0)49 215394
The University of Newcastle, NSW, 2308, Australia
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:08:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <k5di@acca.nmsu.edu>
Subject: TCP/IP
While I agree with Bob, it seems to me the last time I compiled the
latest and greatest JNOS it was still possible to compile a "lean-mean"
version with just the features of "NET" and perhaps some early add-on's like
the simple mail system. I just got from Brian's server the latest JNOS and
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